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Old 08-29-2006, 05:40 PM
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her arms look thin, don't they?
In this photo with this angle yes, in others they do not seem so thin.
Nevertheless there is something curious in this photo, and is that her legs do not seem to be so thin. Her arms are thin enough, but her legs are normal for her,thin like she is, but normal.

Probably the problem is in that in the last months she does very much exercise of arms. Letizia is thin and small, and for a lot of force that has, to take a girl as Leonor is an exercise extra. In the vacations we have seen the girl great in arms of her mother ... and for some commentaries that I have read it seems that Letizia entrusts herself enough of the girl (she bathes her, it is not important for her to change the diapers ... the normal thing in a mother, though a Princess might leave it for the babysitter). Leonor is not a girl precisely small, with 9 months she takes babies' clothes of 18, age to which the children already cover. For Letizia to load the girl must be already a big effort.
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You know, in the first picture her face does not look as thin and bony and just worn out as in the second picture...the angle? the light? the make-up? But, personally I don't think she has an eating disorder or anything like that.

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She's obviously thinner today than she was when she and Felipe first got engaged but that doesn't mean she is anorexic. Several members have raised the question of stress. That's a possibilty and when you look at her sisters there is the same thinness. I wonder if Letizia sees her family and sisters often. Do they hang out--go to the movies or anything? Has she become isolated from her family? The sudden change in her life from career woman with all the freedom in the world to princess with the whole world watching all the time and no freedom seems to have had an affect on her.
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her arms look thin, don't they?
Her arms ARE thin, too thin; more thin when she is pictured in that arm position with her muscle working... even during her pregnancy she had thin arms, and I noticed that while seeing a movie from Anna_R...

If you see a picture, as I am sure you've already seen some (for example waving next to the Queen), where she isn't doing that kind of gesture, her arms look less thin but still thin because they don't look thin they ARE thin...

For example, two pics with a different view of same gesture, in this case the outside arm view:

http://img141.imagevenue.com/img.php...3843_406lo.jpg http://img136.imagevenue.com/img.php...3847_494lo.jpg

For much turns we give the subject it won't go away - she is thin and when I saw her legs , which aren't so thinner looking, I wondered how she felt being so thin and having, in comparison, chubby legs .

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...For much turns we give the subject it won't go away - she is thin and when I saw her legs , which aren't so thinner looking, I wondered how she felt being so thin and having, in comparison, chubby legs .

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Her legs don't look chubby at all.
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Oh goodness me. If she was the walking incarnation of lard we'd all be telling her to slim but when she's as thin as Audrey we're telling her to fatten up. Poor Letizia. Maybe they could take the custard of out Krispy-Kreme doughnuts and inject her with it to fit the measurements we desire?
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Her arms ARE thin, too thin; more thin when she is pictured in that arm position with her muscle working... even during her pregnancy she had thin arms, and I noticed that while seeing a movie from Anna_R...

If you see a picture, as I am sure you've already seen some (for example waving next to the Queen), where she isn't doing that kind of gesture, her arms look less thin but still thin because they don't look thin they ARE thin...
I was thinking the same as I looked through the thread from last year's summer vacation. There are indeed photos that show that not even added pregnancy weight caused Letizia's arms to balloon like others. Moreso, when she is exerting some force (e.g. shaking hands or even just raising them up), their thinness is more emphasized.

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...2&d=1123056133
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...3&d=1123056133
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If she was the walking incarnation of lard we'd all be telling her to slim
I'm sorry for asking, BetrixFan, but what is a lard?!

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Maybe they could take the custard of out Krispy-Kreme doughnuts and inject her with it to fit the measurements we desire?
Don't add more ideas, I can see some already packing and travelling to Spain as volunteers ...


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Her legs don't look chubby at all.
I agree, but in comparisson to her thin arms she has sexy, well shaped and not so thin legs - that's what I meant.

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I'm sorry for asking, BetrixFan, but what is a lard?!

Lard is a white cooking fat that comes in a block. At least it does in Aus,

When I had my first baby my weight plummited from ten stone to eight in a matter of months, I breast fed, I was stressed about being a good mum, I didn't eat as well as I should have and sometimes skipped meals to feed him.
My husband and family were convinced that I was anorexic but I wasn't. It was almost two years before I started putting the weight back on and then only ever made it to nine stone.
Princess Letizia is a small woman who has recently had a baby, I think being such a public mum must cause it's fair share of stress. I think she is a beautiful woman, even when she is a little thinner than we are used to seeing.
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the scans from the article in Quien Magazine from Mexico (it's like their version of Hola, so it's not a "photoshopped-cover" magazine ):


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LETIZIA SUFFERS ANOREXIA

She doesn't tire of saying she eats well and that her thinness is genetic. But the truth is that the Princess is extremely thin.


An image is worth a thousand words and the pics that have been published about Letizia Ortiz during the last months have activated the alarms once again. The first rumors about a possible eating disorder of the former journalist started in march last year, when Paris Match questioned whether she had the "Princess' disease" or not. Other two spanish newspapers (La Crónica and El Mundo) talked about the thinness of Prince Felipe's wife with images of her during a public act. Carmen Rigalt, one of El Mundo's journalists finally put those rumors a name: Anorexia.
When Letizia read the article, she ordered Juan González-Cebrián Tello, the spokesperson of the Royal House to deny that information with a letter that the newspaper published. Something never seen before, because the royal family never denies rumors. But Doña Sofia's daughter-in-law decided to break that tradition. First symptom of the disease: Denial
What Letizia wanted was to put those rumors to rest for once and all, since in that moment of her life they could be very dangerous because she just had completed her first month of pregnancy. If they would have persisted, the pressure on her would have been much worse. Pregnant women with eating disorders have a high risk of losing the baby or have a sick child. That's where her worries came from.
With the denial, Spain breathed deeply and in may it was announced that the waited heir was on the way. For many media, it was the proof that Letizia was healthy.
The Controversy returns
24th July 2006. The german newspaper Bild started the topic about Letizia of Spain's thinness, who was in Palma de Mallorca with the rest of the Royal Family at their summer holidays.
The most read newspaper of Europe said: "her arms look thin, her face as well. Since the birth of her daughter, the Princess has lost a lot of weight [...] She's all skin and bones, her pretty face looks sunk and filled with wrinkles" The newspaper also quotes the commentary on El Diario de Mallorca: "the only thin Princess of Europe fainted"
But other pro-monarquic media like Hola came in the Princess' defence: "she's just like her sisters, her thinness is something inherent to her complexion. Pure genetics"
Despite this, it is enough just to look at Letizia's pictures when she was studying in Mexico 11 years ago, she wasn't that skinny. Her mexican friend Sara Cuéllar, who lived with her while she was studying at the University of Guadalajara in 1995, talked two years ago in an exclusive interview to Quien about her last encounter with Letizia in Madrid in 2002: "Letizia was about to start at TVE, she was very illusioned about it and she was losing weight. At that time, she was still living with her mother and was about to leave to get her own apartment...There were tons of guys after her 'cuz she's so gorgeous, she looks like a model. Now (2004) she's way thinner, is evident there's someone behind her image"
A Decade in Red Alert
Another mexican friend who met her as well in Guadalajara affirmed that since then she noticed that the now Princess of Asturias induced the vomit and was obsessed about her weight.
That is to say that Letizia presented symptoms of an eating disorder since more than a decade.
On the other hand, anonymous assistants of the designer Lorenzo Caprile affirm that unlike what their boss has said, her size isn't 40 (the average for iberic women) but 34 (the equivalent for a mexican zero or two). Letizia is 1.68m (more or less 5'6) and weighs 90 pounds (45 kg).
It is a fact that her two sisters are thin and that the wife of Felipe of Spain admired them for that. The same friend from Mexico said that "she always said that Thelma was very pretty and the truth is that Letizia was prettier but always insisted that she wasn't".
Another revealing fact is that during her pregnancy, the Princess of Asturias had problems as nausea, vomit and gastritis. Those symptoms are normal in the first months of pregnancy, but in her they didn't dissapear till the end.
Despite all of this, the Royal House has preferred to remain silent. The thing is that the spanish media affirm that since Letizia entered the Royal Family, a division between the personal of the King's house and Felipe's assistants started and that Letizia's anorexia has deepened the issue. While the first are concerned about the example this could give to Spain, the latter endorse Felipe, who affirms that there isn't a disease


Captions:
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(first picture left) 2003: even if she lost weight for the news cast she hosted, she still looked very healthy
(second pic, pink dress) 2004: in a year, Letizia lost about 10 pounds (5 kg)
(third pic, green skirt) 2006: Felipe's wife is now size cero or two

Page 044
(top pics) from 2003 to 2006: it seems like the Princess has had an eating disorder for more than 10 years, but it has gotten worse for the last three.
(bottom left pic) Better Face: here in 1995 with a friend in Mexico. Since that time, Felipe's wife has lost 30 pounds (15 kg).
Page 046
(top left pic) Seven months: with her pregnancy, the rumors about her disease calmed down
(right pic) With Leonor: German newspaper Bild published: "her arms look thin, her face as well. Since the birth of her daughter, the Princess has lost a lot of weight"

Page 048
(top pic) Justification: pro-monarquic media assure that the long acts, the high heels and her posture make her look thinner
(bottom right) Princess' Pressure: the SRH is divided about Letizia's anorexia. Some like her mother-in-law Queen Sofia support her and others think she's setting a bad example
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This is the translation of the article, all I want is everyone to see what's been written about Letizia's weight in other countries.
Another thing: in this article they mention the Bild and Paris Match articles, can anyone find them?
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Old 08-30-2006, 02:44 PM
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the scans from the article in Quien Magazine from Mexico (it's like their version of Hola, so it's not a "photoshopped-cover" magazine ):


I'll translate the article, so please give me some time!
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Sincerely, I do not understand your particular insistence, in this article, but it was not waiting for another thing, not that surprises me. It is very sad that the people enjoy speculating on the health of the others, without having really any information. I do not believe that this article is say of a Mexican Hola, it is a yellow article, based on the supposition, speculation and the gossip.
The article the only thing that it does is to copy what has appeared in other European magazines, repeats the same thing that the Bild was saying ... and the same thing that wrote 2 years ago when they extended this rumor for the first time (when Letizia was anorexic, but she remained a pregnant woman ... some kind of imponsible ... but the medical journalists do written miracles ).

Every time I like less this topic, to turn in topic of speculation and gossip the health of a person is slightly enough sad, especially, without a trustworthy information. It seems to me to be terrible that it is done by the press, which only they it do to earn money, And seems to me to be more terrible than here some follow the game ... and even seem to enjoy it.
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lula, you are a big fan of Letizia and I respect that but you should know that some of us are actually interested in hearing what they say about Letizia in other countries and can do it through this forum, I'm sorry if I offend you in any way but I promised to find the article so I'm merely living up to my word, I'll just translate it and let people make their own minds about it, just let them do that, please?

and for the Bild article, is it a respected newspaper?
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Old 08-30-2006, 03:23 PM
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lula, you are a big fan of Letizia and I respect that but you should know that some of us are actually interested in hearing what they say about Letizia in other countries and can do it through this forum, I'm sorry if I offend you in any way but I promised to find the article so I'm merely living up to my word, I'll just translate it and let people make their own minds about it, just let them do that, please?
It is not a question of being a fan of anybody. It is a question of being a person, and of taking RESPECT AS THE OTHERS. It is not important for me if is Letizia, Princess of Asturias or my neighbor.

THE HEALTH OF A PERSON IS SOMETHING VERY SERIOUS. It is not anything on what to invent, on what to speculate, on what to create rumors...And here only there are speculations. There is no communique, no serious information, any medical report ... only speculations.The Royal Household and the own Princess, have denied it, have tried it to explain ... but it for any does not cost. Because it is more enterteining and gives more money to continue speculating. Because it is better to believe that they lie.

Recently in Spain a famous singer has died for a cancer, for months, her disease and her agony have occupied hours of television ... they have inspected and invented many things ... the press has taken advantage and earned a lot of money itself with her agony and death ... and they have given the most atrocious spectacle that can be given. Even they managed to announce her death when still she was alive. If a person is sick enough misfortune they have she and her family.

We are not speaking about jewels, about nice dresses, about parties, of being more or less pretty ... we are speaking about the health of the persons, of a health that takes us to the life or to the death. It is sad that the press speculates on the health of the persons of so frivolous way.

Letizia's thinness is a topic that sells, an easy argument, she is thin, loses a few kilos and is anorexic ... because the anorexia is a popular disease, the " disease of the princesses " they say some, a disease very of models and stars of Hollywood ... but a person can lose kilos for many reasons.The anorexia is not a joke, and it is a very serious disease ... and for being more popular, for being fashionable ... its consequences are not better, nor is better to speak and to speculate on them.

It seems to me to be terrible that is done by Letizia ... it seems to me to be terrible that is done by Leonor's spot ... it seems to me to be terrible that is done by the supposed cancer of the King Juan Carlos.... it seems to me to be terrible that is done by the problems of health of Jaime de Marichalar...

I believe that the health of a person is slightly very serious and very intimate ... and without an official communique or a medical report, I would never say that anybody is sick. If a person is sick, already it has enough suffering. If a person is not sick, this type of speculations can make him suffer.

Certainly, on having read someone of these articles, and on having read some opinions, it seems that to a person who has anorexia is guilty of something , it seems that for having anorexia someone is a worse person ... because a person wants to be thin, because wants to have model's body, because it is obsessed by the aspect ... and it neither is it nor should be like that. The anorexia is a psychological disorder, which is joined to a nourishing problem.The anorexia begins when a person does not feel well with itself. The diseases are always bad, and the persons do not suffer them for caprice .
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Hello everyone! How are you all doing?

Well, the fact of the matter still stands. Yes, Letizia has lost weight since she married Felipe...reason being...no one really knows but her, her husband and her family. And just because she's lost weight does not mean that she is suffering from any illness or disease no matter what ANY newspaper, magazine or show says. We (and everyone else) can only speculate and give our opinion about this. Friends, there is no need to get so worked up about this topic...

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Hello everyone! How are you all doing?

Well, the fact of the matter still stands. Yes, Letizia has lost weight since she married Felipe...reason being...no one really knows but her, her husband and her family. And just because she's lost weight does not mean that she is suffering from any illness or disease no matter what ANY newspaper, magazine or show says. We (and everyone else) can only speculate and give our opinion about this. Friends, there is no need to get so worked up about this topic...

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RachelD you are so nice!! (thanks ) I think it has to do more with the fact that all western societies in general hold thinner women in a greater esteem. Thinner women show this "control" over food that subconciously makes people think of them as powerful-specially other women... Men might like women with curves more and study after study shows that when shown pictures of women of varying weight women always go at least 5 Lbs thinner than guys when asked to select the "ideal" figure. My point is that we might be a little envious about it? Also, look at Nicole Ritchie, the paparazzi catches her eating junk food all the time and yet every week she is on some tabloid's cover about her supposed "anorexia". Yes she is skinny and says that when she is stressed out she can't eat.
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Of course the health of a person is something really serious but she won't get sick because we talk about her extreme skinny body, will she? no, i don't think so... those arms live me w/o words; neither she will get sick because some magazines says so and you have to ask yourself why does so many magazines and journalist are refering and reporting this subjetc more and more, I may like one person but that won't make me blind.
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so and you have to ask yourself why does so many magazines and journalist are refering and reporting this subjetc more and more
I think the German tabloids prove this enough: Sometimes the news is slow (which it was during the summer since many people had private holidays and were able to get away from the media) so it's necessary for the media to construct stories since they still have to put out an online edition, a print publication, or a news cast whether there's actual news or not. And if one publication has decided that Letizia has anorexia then its easy enough for other publications to pick it up and use it as fact without verifying the information.

For example, how many times have various publications jumped on the bandwagon of princess so and so is pregnant? Or consider how many publications in Denmark and Austalia picked up a story about Mary being the Scandinavian Imelda Marcos? Just because six publications printed the story doesn't mean that Mary's spending habits are exorbitant or that Letizia is anorexic.

Working in a media environment, I will tell you that it's not uncommon for editors and publishers to sit in a room for a story meeting for their next issue and someone will say: These five magazines and newspapers have a story about Subject X. This must mean that it's a big deal. How come we don't have a story about this subject? Do one for the next issue. That doesn't mean that the subject is of relevance, it just means that at one place someone came up with the story idea and the idea germinated to other publications in a domino effect, but that the media has made it of relevance by continually writing about it. On the flip side, the media frequently ignores subjects that are of greater relevance for other stories.
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RachelD you are so nice!! (thanks ) I think it has to do more with the fact that all western societies in general hold thinner women in a greater esteem. Thinner women show this "control" over food that subconciously makes people think of them as powerful-specially other women... Men might like women with curves more and study after study shows that when shown pictures of women of varying weight women always go at least 5 Lbs thinner than guys when asked to select the "ideal" figure. My point is that we might be a little envious about it? Also, look at Nicole Ritchie, the paparazzi catches her eating junk food all the time and yet every week she is on some tabloid's cover about her supposed "anorexia". Yes she is skinny and says that when she is stressed out she can't eat.
Obviously Nicole Ritchie is way too thin and we don't know what she does with that junk food once she's eaten it. Comparing her to Princess Letizia doesn't help Letizia's case. The fact that other media around the world have now picked up the story of Letizia's weight and are openly speculating about her health with before and after pictures is not a good thing for the SRF. This will put more pressure on Letizia, Felipe and the royal family.
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