Felipe and Letizia's Titles

[Princess Robijn]

I'm confused, does that mean that Filip is still an Infante?? (outside the title, Prince of Asturias)

[crisiñaki]

Originally Posted by Princess Robijn

I'm confused, does that mean that Filip is still an Infante?? (outside the title, Prince of Asturias)

He was born an Infante, but when he swore the constitution he became the Prince of Asturias

[lula]

Originally Posted by Princess Robijn

I'm confused, does that mean that Filip is still an Infante?? (outside the title, Prince of Asturias)

http://www.casareal.es/ingles/laCorona/lacorona.html

Article 2

The heir to the Crown shall, as from his or her birth or as from the moment the fact giving rise to such entitlement arises, possess the Dignity of The Prince or The Princess of the Asturias, as well as the remaining titles traditionally attached to the Successor to the Crown and be entitled to the honours pertaining to him or her by virtue thereof. He or she shall be addressed as Your Royal Highness. The same Dignity and form of address shall correspond to his or her spouse, with the honours deriving therefrom, pursuant to the laws of the Realm.

Article 3

The King's sons and daughters not possessing the Dignity of Prince or Princess of the Asturias, as well as the children of the latter Prince or Princess, shall be Infantes or Infantas of Spain, respectively, and shall be addressed as Your Royal Highness. Their spouses, whilst they continue being so or stay a widower or widow, shall be entitled to the form of address and honours The King, as a gracious decision, may grant them, pursuant to the powers vested upon Him by paragraph f) of Article 62 of the Constitution.

http://www.casareal.es/ingles/sar_principe/index.html

Heir to the Crown since the proclamation of his father as King on 22 November 1975, on 1 November 1977 he received the title of Prince of Asturias together with the titles of Prince of Girona and Prince of Viana, These are held by the firstborn of the Kingdoms of Castile, Aragon and Navarre which came together in the 16th century to form the Spanish monarchy. He also holds the titles of Duke of Montblanc, Count of Cervera and Lord of Balaguer.

[Princess Robijn]

thank you :) :)

[linda85]

I have a ? for you Lula. In article 3 that you quoted above does this mean that the King's (Juan Carlos) daughters, Elena and Cristina's children have the right to the dignity of Infante or Infanta of Spain? I realize that the King created both of his sons in law dukes but I thought that the children of the dukes and the Infantas take any such titles from the paternal line and not the maternal line? I am confused. That is the way I read Section 3
Thank you for enlightening me.
Linda 85

[Elsa M.]

No, linda. Only the children of the King are Infantes. The Infantas' children held no titles.

[Warren]

The phrase from Article 3 "...as well as the children of the latter Prince or Princess" refers to the Prince (or Princess) of the Asturias.

[politikgirl]

I have a question about Letizia's title/style... Is it actually incorrect to refer to her in English as Princess Letizia since she is only a princess by marriage and not made a princess in her own right (i.e. Princess Diana was never HRH Princess Diana but instead HRH The Princess of Wales)? If so, what would precede Letizia's first name if one needed to refer to her?

Thanks!

[Anna_R]

She is HRH Doña Letizia, Princess of Asturias, there's nothing wrong in calling her "Princess Letizia"

[politikgirl]

Thanks for the reply.

[acdc1]

In this Wikipedia article Felipe, Prince of Asturias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, it says that Felipe will be known as King Philip VI when he becomes king. Well, that's the English version of his name. Will he be known as this, because his father isn't known as King John Charles, and his nephews aren't known as Philip, John, Paul, and Michael. And he's not even known as Philip. I know in the old days, they normally translated names into english, but is it this way today?

[lula]

It is a question of the web in English, I do not deal because in the whole article they have not translated it and there yes. In Spain evidently the name is in Spanish, Felipe.

[Saphire]

How is Felipe related to all of Europe's royalty? When he was getting married there were several reports here in the States that Prince Felipe was related to all of Europe's royalty. Can somebody shine some light on this? Thanks.

[RhapsodyBrat]

Saphire, that's because a lot of European royalty today are descendants of Queen Victoria of Britain via the marriage of her children to various European royal houses. Even King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia are distant relatives, as members of the Greek and Spanish houses are descendants of Queen Victoria's grandchildren (King Juan Carlos' grandmother, Queen Victoria Eugenia, is one).

[Mari_*]

Originally Posted by crisiñaki

He was born an Infante, but when he swore the constitution he became the Prince of Asturias

Petite correction
He was born an Infante but he didn't became Prince when he swore the constitution, by then he was already Prince of Asturias he swore it because he was turning 18, he received all of his titles at age 9 on November 1st, 1977 in Asturias.

[Saphire]

Originally Posted by RhapsodyBrat

Saphire, that's because a lot of European royalty today are descendants of Queen Victoria of Britain via the marriage of her children to various European royal houses. Even King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia are distant relatives, as members of the Greek and Spanish houses are descendants of Queen Victoria's grandchildren (King Juan Carlos' grandmother, Queen Victoria Eugenia, is one).

Thanks for the information. So indeedy he is related to all of Europes royalty.

[Doña Metizia]

He is relatied to the royal of many countries not only through Queen Victoria but also due to all the inbreeding between royals.

[madeleine victoria]

Originally Posted by Princess Robijn

another question.. Is Filipe also an Infante of Spain, or is that included in his title of Prince of Asturias, and if he is an Infante, does that mean that Letizia is an Infanta of Spain??

Letizia will never be an Infanta of Spain since the title Infante/a is being used by the children of the King and the children of the Crown Couple thus we have Infantas Leonor and Sofia. I asked my Spanish teacher regarding this because when I looked at the dictionary Infanta/e means son/daughter but he said that these were only used by the Familia Real. I guess this was used to consider them as ROYAL SON/DAUGHTER. I have one question though -- I looked up in Wikipedia and it says that the children of Infantas Elena and Cristina are called Grandees of Spain. What does that mean? It says -- HE Irene de Urdangarin y Borbon, Grandee of Spain. I don't know what this mean? Is it an aristocratic title like dukes/count, etc.

[mapian]

Originally Posted by madeleine victoria

Letizia will never be an Infanta of Spain since the title Infante/a is being used by the children of the King and the children of the Crown Couple thus we have Infantas Leonor and Sofia. I asked my Spanish teacher regarding this because when I looked at the dictionary Infanta/e means son/daughter but he said that these were only used by the Familia Real. I guess this was used to consider them as ROYAL SON/DAUGHTER. I have one question though -- I looked up in Wikipedia and it says that the children of Infantas Elena and Cristina are called Grandees of Spain. What does that mean? It says -- HE Irene de Urdangarin y Borbon, Grandee of Spain. I don't know what this mean? Is it an aristocratic title like dukes/count, etc.

Is a distinction link to the title, you can be counte, duke, etc... and in adittion "grande de España" if your title have this consideration. For example, Duquesa de Alba is "grande de España" is a class into a class, the aristocracy. In Spain aristocrats don't have privilegies, on the contrary, they can pay extra taxes for their titles and if they are "grandes de España", more.

For the Infantas' children, they aren't a tittle by birth but they have the distinction, utility?... who know!

[madeleine victoria]

Originally Posted by mapian

Is a distinction link to the title, you can be counte, duke, etc... and in adittion "grande de España" if your title have this consideration. For example, Duquesa de Alba is "grande de España" is a class into a class, the aristocracy. In Spain aristocrats don't have privilegies, on the contrary, they can pay extra taxes for their titles and if they are "grandes de España", more.

For the Infantas' children, they aren't a tittle by birth but they have the distinction, utility?... who know!

Thanks, so the title of Grande is being used by mostly member of the RF? I'm not familiar with this title since this is the first time I've heard of it. Is this title higher than Duke/Duchess?