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Old 11-04-2005, 10:05 AM
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So the Spanish constitution is like any other moarchy's constitution, but it includes a section for the Royal Family.

But, if you can answer, I do have some questions.

It basically says that the members must marry with the approval of the King and the Cortes Generales, or they are excluded from succession.

What rules are there for a person to marry a member of the Royal Family?

The constitution also says that to exercise the regency, the person must be Spanish and of age. This must mean that to exercise regency as Queen, Queen Sofia would not be eligible because she is Greek born. Or is it enough to be of Spanish citizenship to claim the regency?

Also, for the guardianship of an underage King, is being Spanish by citizenship enough to be the guardian? Because the guardian must be Spanish, is Spanish birth necessary?

BTW, the Cortes Generales, what position would they represent in America?
Nowadays I do not believe that there are many specific rules to marry a member of the Royal Family, in all the cases the King has approved it and the Spanish Parliament has accepted it. I imagine that the only thing that might do that they were putting on impediments to a marriage would be that there was something serious how for example that had committed a crime or something similar.

The Kings in spite of born credit the two abroad have Spanish nationality.

The Cortes Generales it is the Parliament, not exactly how they are the things in America.
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Old 11-04-2005, 10:15 AM
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Thank you for your explanation lula. I didn't realize that many Spanish Kings had been born overseas. Was King Juan Carlos born in Spain? I know that he was allowed to live in Spain as a young child, but I'm unsure of his place of birth.

Have there been any regents in Spain? If so I would like to know the name/s so I could research where the person/s was born.
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Old 11-04-2005, 10:32 AM
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The King was born on 5 January 1938 in Rome where the Royal Family was living at the time.

The mother of King Alfonso XIII was regent (I don´t remember others). She was Queen Maria Cristina (text from wikipedia):

"Her Imperial and Royal Highness Maria Christina, Princess Imperial, Archduchess of Austria, Princess Royal of Hungary and Bohemia (Maria Christina Désirée Henriette Felicitas Rainiera von Hapsburg, 21 July 1858–6 February 1929) was the second Queen consort of King Alfonso XII of Spain and was Queen Regent of Spain during the minority of her son Alfonso XIII, from 21 July 1886 - 7 May 1902 (Alfonso XIII of Spain (May 17, 1886February 28, 1941), King of Spain, posthumous son of Alfonso XII of Spain, was proclaimed King at his birth. He reigned from 1886-1931. His mother, Queen Maria Christina of Austria, was appointed regent during his minority. In 1902, on attaining his 16th year, the King assumed control of the government.).
Known to her family as Christa, she was born at Židlochovice Castle (Gross Seelowitz), near Brno, in Moravia, a daughter of Archduke Karl Ferdinand and his wife, Archduchess Elisabeth.
Her paternal grandparents were Archduke Charles and Princess Henriette Alexandrine von Nassau-Weilburg.
Maria Christina married King Alfonso XII of Spain on 29 November 1879 at the Royal Palace in Madrid, and became the mother of his only three legitimate children: Infanta Maria de las Mercedes of Spain, Maria Theresa, and Alfonso. His previous wife was Infante Maria de las Mercedes of Spain, who died four years after their marriage, leaving no issue.
She died at the Royal Palace in Madrid"
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Old 11-04-2005, 10:44 AM
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Well then the Constitution has partly been overlooked, or not used, because it does state the necessity of being Spanish (although it must be only as a citizen).

The current king being born in Italy and Regent, Queen Maria Christina being born in Moravia (Moravia being a part of the Czech Republic) proves that spanish birth isn't prerequisite.
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Old 11-04-2005, 10:47 AM
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Well then the Constitution has partly been overlooked, or not used, because it does state the necessity of being Spanish (although it must be only as a citizen).

The current king being born in Italy and Moravia being a region of the Czech Republic.
The Spainish Constitution was made in 1978 (the year that was approved by referedum and rectified by the parliment and the King), many years after the birth of the King.

And King Juan Carlos didn´t born in Spain only because the royal family was alreay in exile, after the republican proclamation in Spain, in 1931.
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Old 11-04-2005, 11:00 AM
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The Spainish Constitution was made in 1978 (the year that was approved by referedum and rectified by the parliment and the King), many years after the birth of the King.

And King Juan Carlos didn´t born in Spain only because the royal family was alreay in exile, after the republican proclamation in Spain, in 1931.
Oh, of course! Silly me.:o

I just read that the Constitution was only drafted in 1978 and I didn't remember it. So much for studying!

Was this part of the Constitution meant to prevent any other country from taking control of the Spanish Monarchy?
(Due to needing to be Spanish by birth)
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Old 11-04-2005, 11:07 AM
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Oh, of course! Silly me.:o

I just read that the Constitution was only drafted in 1978 and I didn't remember it. So much for studying!

Was this part of the Constitution meant to prevent any other country from taking control of the Spanish Monarchy?
(Due to needing to be Spanish by birth)
I´m not spanish and not very aware of the constitution, but i belive so :) .
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Old 11-07-2005, 05:20 PM
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Firstly, WHERE on earth did you ever hear that CP Frederik ever contemplated suicide? He has said that he was lonely not depresses (which obviously precipitates suicide). If he truly had made this contemplation he would have either kept it completely quiet and we never would have heard even a rumor, or he would have gone completely public to raise awareness for others with depression.
Since I've never heard him speak about this I can only call it slander perpetrated by the underworked and inconiderate tabloids.
First of all, I apologise for replying so late. Our internet stopped working. Hmpf.

I've read it several times, in several places. I believe he mentioned it in an interview made for his 18th birthday. If I am wrong, then I sincerely apologise. I hate slander too.

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And, yes the job would present pressure for both sexes. But, it must be more difficult for a woman. Women have the additional pressure of having to prove themselves ass being capable much more fully than men ever do, and finding a man strong enough within himself to be her consort would be near impossible. This young princess is going to have to be strong, just like any future queen would have to be, and has been in the past.
You're right about the pressure of being a woman in a male-dominated world. However, looking at Belgium, the Netherlands and Norway (and possibly Japan), it doesn't look like Leonor will be the alone amongst the men. The more women ascend to thrones, the lesser the pressure will be - but, just it has to start somewhere, just like any other equal rights-movement.:)
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Old 11-13-2005, 04:14 PM
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Question Spanish Succession

Hello. My name is Roman. This is my very first posting in this message board. Anyway, I am curious about the Spanish succession. I've had an opportunity to read the Constitution of Spain. It specifies that the succession lies with the present family of King Juan Carlos and their issue. But, there is no specific mention of the succession, AFTER the present Royal Family. I imagine this would involve any children of the King's sisters or members of of the Royal House of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. Would anyone care to comment? I especially would like to hear from someone from Spain who knows about these things. Thank you, Roman in Austin, Texas U.S.A.
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:21 AM
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Hi guys, I have been too busy lately to check on the news regarding the Constitutional changes for Spain. Does anyone know if they had changed the Constitution and declare Princess Leonor to be the next Queen? THANKS.
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Old 12-12-2005, 03:22 AM
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Hi guys, I have been too busy lately to check on the news regarding the Constitutional changes for Spain. Does anyone know if they had changed the Constitution and declare Princess Leonor to be the next Queen? THANKS.
nope, unfortunately not yet.. she remain Infanta of Spain.
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Old 12-12-2005, 06:16 AM
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As it was explained before, the reform of the Spanish Constitution evolves a series of other matters that must be altered as well (as the statute of the independent communities, etc.), but those are nothing but polemic issues and hard to achieve consensus. The Council of State has predicted to finish its report on the constitutional reform in the term of about a month and a half. Thus, at the end of January, the Executive could possibly have on the table a previous document to the reform, but the chapter referring to the succession to the Throne is the only one that may aspire to the support of the PP. All the other subjects that are being discussed would hardly have a chance to go any further… so we must wait.
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Old 01-26-2006, 08:17 PM
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The State Council give an inform about the reform

State Council proposes to mention to Don Felipe in the Constitution to guarantee hiss condition of heir
They agree with to clear the preference of the man to the throne and pleads so that the Letter welcomes the feminine one in its references to the King and Prince

The report of the Commission of Studies of the State Council for the reform of the Constitution thinks that "the more advisable" formula to preserve the condition of heir of Don Felipe and, to the time, to eliminate of 57,1 article the preference of the man, is the following one: "the Crown of Spain is hereditary of the S.M. successors Don Juan Carlos I of Borbón, legitimate heir of the historical dynasty. The succession in the throne corresponds to its son, inheriting Prince Don Felipe de Borbón, and later to the successors of this one according to the regular order of primogenitura and representation, being always preferred the line previous to the later ones; in the same line, the degree next to most remote; and in the same degree, the person of more age to the one of less ".
In this report, to which it had access Europe Press, answers the consultation that the Government did on the matter. In the justification of its proposal, the Commission of Studies pleads to carry out the reform "in the own one I articulate 57,1, without going to no transitory disposition", since this last one could cause "delicate legal problems".
Thus, the phrase "in the same degree is suppressed, the man to the woman" and express mention to the inheriting Prince becomes ", alluding to its present institutional position ". The Council of State understands that the new writing of the rule must become "as its inheriting Prince, and not" of Prince of Asturias ", that is, according to article 57,2, a "added dignity".
The Commission explains that whereas the reform does not take place, "follows in vigor article 57,1 in its present writing, that defers the succession to the throne in favor of the inheriting Prince, Don Felipe de Borbón, with no need of explanation some". It adds that when the reform takes place "it is it for providing" his succession.
"Then, possibly called to the succession to Corona they will be ordered to the margin or of the present preference of the men and without they can as opposed to allege rights the new order constitutionally established, according to or indicated", it exposes.
It warns, also, that until that takes place "second succession to the throne" the reform that is contemplated "will not have application some". It, adds, "does not exclude the convenience of carrying out it without more delay than the one than it is from the appreciation of the contemplated public interest in terms ampler than those than this single reform can mean".

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Here's another article about this judgment of the Council of State
http://www.ociocritico.com/oc/actual...politico_1.php

Although with no entailing value, this document stands that parity among men and women is a basic and universally recognized principle in the Spanish legal ordering and it offers sufficient foundation to eliminate the article 57.1 of the Constitution.
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Hi everyone,

I have a question, if Felipe and Letizia has another baby, but in this case a boy and the law is not yet changed, would that mean that this boy will get the right of sucession? Would he get the rights for a while until they get to change the law?
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I have a question, if Felipe and Letizia has another baby, but in this case a boy and the law is not yet changed, would that mean that this boy will get the right of sucession? Would he get the rights for a while until they get to change the law?
If they have a boy and until then the Constitution isn't changed, the boy will be King and the Contitution won't be change! But if they have another girl or the Contitution is changed, Leonor has the rights of sucession because she is their first daughter.
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Old 01-30-2006, 09:22 AM
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Hi everyone,

I have a question, if Felipe and Letizia has another baby, but in this case a boy and the law is not yet changed, would that mean that this boy will get the right of sucession? Would he get the rights for a while until they get to change the law?
It depends on the situation in which that takes place. While King Juan Carlos reigns would not exist no problem, because Prince Felipe is the heir; and to legal effects the King and the Heir only have a function. If Prince Felipe became King, would create a problem; but the opinion publishes and policy is to afvor d right elos of Leonor, therefore they would have to look for the legal way to solve it. But the population and the politicians are in favour of Leonor's rights, therefore they would have to look for the legal way to solve it.
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The president of the Government, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero announced Wednesday that he has predicted to approach with the political parties in the next period of parliamentary sessions the announced reform of the Constitution, from the report elaborated by the Council of State.

In the mentioned report, the Council of State approved with some modifications the proposal of the Government to reform the Constitution in four points: the elimination of the masculine preference in the access to Corona, the reform of the Senate, the inclusion of the name of the independent communities and a reference to the European Constitution.

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For a moment i was thinking in what happened to Victoria of sweeden. She got the right to the throne after a reform, even if his brother was heir to the throne according to the previous law. I have a question for those who know best how things work in spain, is there any posibility that they change the constitution and made it effective even for Elena?
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Old 03-09-2006, 07:09 AM
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For a moment i was thinking in what happened to Victoria of sweeden. She got the right to the throne after a reform, even if his brother was heir to the throne according to the previous law. I have a question for those who know best how things work in spain, is there any posibility that they change the constitution and made it effective even for Elena?
No, the State Council recommend that in the new constitution have to put that the successor of King Juan Carlos is Prince Felipe and the reform will take effect only in the descendants of Prince Felipe
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