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Old 08-13-2004, 11:47 AM
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[Spain does not have Salic law. Salic means MALES ONLY - Spain has male primogeniture which means sons before daughters, sisters before brothers. This is the same as Britain and Denmark.
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Old 09-30-2005, 04:51 AM
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is there a special title for the new heir
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Old 09-30-2005, 05:02 AM
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is there a special title for the new heir
The baby will be An Infante of Spain.

And two more things.
How well it has explained someone in Spain there is no Law Sálica, but a preference of the man on the woman, if they had only girls the major girl would reign.
And since I see that someone also has extracted this horrible piece of gossip am going to clarify something. The girl about whom Ariel speaks is not illegitimate, since she has and always there has had a father who recognized her since she was born and that he was on the verge of marrying her mother.
But how the people have bad intention it likes to invent these things that they forbid more than the truths, and how the mother was a girlfriend of the Prince they wants to be placed, when their relation was doing more than 4 years that it had ended and both had or had had other relations. The people are very wicked and they do not see that they can damage to a girl. If the girl did not have father I might understand that this rumor existed, but a father is that this girl always has had. (That is not the Prince).
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Old 09-30-2005, 05:06 AM
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no soecial duke title or something like that
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Old 09-30-2005, 08:05 AM
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no soecial duke title or something like that
The Kings offer dukedoms for their children upon marriage. It was this way that Infanta Elena turned Duchess of Lugo and Infanta Cristina turned Duchess of Palma.

Before they were married they were only Infantas of Spain.
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Old 10-30-2005, 09:37 PM
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Debate on the reform of the constitution

A girl is born. This thread is to debate on the change of the constitution required by the birth of a new Infanta of Spain.
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Old 10-30-2005, 09:41 PM
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It's funny to hear so many calling for a change in the various constitutions to allow the first born, whether male or female, to assume the throne. Does anyone see the irony in applying such a modern notion of equality (I've seen the term "in this day an age" mentioned a few times) applied to the intrinsicly un-modern idea of heriditary, dynastic rule? Why is the idea of discriminating against someone because of their sex wrong, but awarding someone power, influence, and often tax dollars, just because of the family they were born into, is OK, even revered?

Don't get me wrong, I love this site, love reading about my favorite royals, love history, but this is something that struck me. It seems inconsistent in some ways. Thoughts?
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Old 10-30-2005, 09:45 PM
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http://es.news.yahoo.com/fot/ftxt/20051031033320.html

After the announcement of the pregnancy of the Princess, the minister of Justice, Juan Fernando Lopez Aguilar, assured that it was not necessary to undertake an urgent reform of the Constitution. The minister bet to make the changes at the end of the legislature.
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Old 10-31-2005, 02:01 AM
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Can I just ask, what is the law in Spain? is it like the British law, that girls can ascend the throne, but only after boys and are 'bumped down' the sucession line, cause I thought girls couldn't ascend the throne at all in Spain?
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Old 10-31-2005, 02:18 AM
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Can I just ask, what is the law in Spain? is it like the British law, that girls can ascend the throne, but only after boys and are 'bumped down' the sucession line, cause I thought girls couldn't ascend the throne at all in Spain?
In Spain men have prefence over women to ascend the Throne. CP Felipe is the younguest child of the King, but he´s the heir. The called Sallic Law. So, i belive, that is similar to GB.
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Old 10-31-2005, 03:08 AM
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http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/e...reut/index.html

Spanish royal birth opens constitutional debate

MADRID, Spain (Reuters) -- Spain's future queen, Princess Letizia, gave birth on Monday to her first child, a girl, lending urgency to a debate on changing the constitution to give women the same right as men to inherit the throne.

The baby, named Leonor, is second in line to the Spanish throne after her father, Crown Prince Felipe of Borbon.

She was born at 1:46 A.M. (0046 GMT) by Caesarean, doctors at Madrid's Ruber International clinic said. Although born three weeks early, the baby and her mother were said to be in good health.

"This is the nicest thing that can happen to anyone in life ... The princess and I are absolutely happy and radiant," Prince Felipe told a packed news conference at the hospital.

A crowd of photographers, television crews and well-wishers waited outside the clinic for hours under pouring rain after Letizia was admitted on Sunday evening.

The birth comes 17 months after the glittering wedding of Felipe, now 37, and Letizia, a glamorous former television news reader now aged 33. Leonor is the seventh grandchild of King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia.
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Old 10-31-2005, 05:55 AM
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Minister of Justice, Juán Fernando Lopez Aguilar, has declared after birth of Infant Leonor, that "is perfectly possible" to solve in this legislature reforms constitutional it jeopardize by Government and that, among other questions, prevén to eliminate all discrimination by sex in access headquarters of State, so that it makes sure that the daughter of Princes de Asturias is, by his condition of first-born, Queen of Spain, aunquue has brothers men. Lopez Aguilar has added who the Government has very "assumed" who the reform in the right of access to the succession to the Headquarters of the State "does not have retroactive effects", and it has garantziado itself which that reform affects single to the heirs or successors of Don Felipe, that has already been declared Prince of Asturias, and therefore, successor.
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Old 10-31-2005, 06:10 AM
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Do you think the royals of Spain really want the constitution to be changed? Many royals are very attached to their traditions and change is not very well received, specially when imposed. What do you think?
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Old 10-31-2005, 06:25 AM
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Does anyone see the irony in applying such a modern notion of equality (I've seen the term "in this day an age" mentioned a few times) applied to the intrinsicly un-modern idea of heriditary, dynastic rule? Why is the idea of discriminating against someone because of their sex wrong, but awarding someone power, influence, and often tax dollars, just because of the family they were born into, is OK, even revered
Well, I believe that theres a natural order to things. Some are born to rule over others, whilst some are born to scrimp and save. Kings and Queens are born to rule but I won't go into the whole divine right of Kings thing. I believe that males and females should have equal succession rights as long and as long there is a Monarch it doesn't matter what sex he or she is.:)
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Old 10-31-2005, 06:29 AM
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Well, I believe that theres a natural order to things. Some are born to rule over others, whilst some are born to scrimp and save. Kings and Queens are born to rule but I won't go into the whole divine right of Kings thing. I believe that males and females should have equal succession rights as long and as long there is a Monarch it doesn't matter what sex he or she is.:)
I don't agree at all with the idea that some are born to rule and other to be ruled. (Should I precise I'm not a monarchist, but a convinced republican, but that I love royal genealogies and royal news? )
But I agree that the first born should be the heir, no matter his/her gender is. It would be very nice to have a queen Leonor of Spain. By the way, the name is LOVELY.
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Old 10-31-2005, 06:42 AM
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I am going to try to explain something that I believe that not this one very clear. In Spain there does not question that a woman could reign, the political parties and the population agree in that woman exists equality between man in the access to the Wreath.
The problem is strictly political. The question is how and when to carry out this change that it needs from a very complicated process.
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Old 10-31-2005, 07:00 AM
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I think a change in the law is very important. To deny a an individual their chance based purely on sex is just another example of the way in which women may still be treated as being less than men.
And btsnyder, I understand what you're saying as well and to a certain degree agree with you..
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Spanish royal birth opens constitutional debate

cnn explains it well:

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/eu...eut/index.html
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In Spain men have prefence over women to ascend the Throne. CP Felipe is the younguest child of the King, but he´s the heir. The called Sallic Law. So, i belive, that is similar to GB.
The Salic Law means male-only succession, and it can't pass through the female line.
Spain is similar to the UK where males and females can succeed to the Throne, but a male will out-rank any sisters.
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I hope they change it, this is the 21st century!
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