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Old 02-11-2007, 01:58 PM
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The King wasn't at the funeral?
Probably because he already attended the service on thursday ..
Yes, I guess The King didn´t attended it because of that. Infanta Cristina was not there either but Elena was. I guess it has something to do with protocol who must be there or not. Princess Letizia looked absolutely devastated, this time Telma was the rock for the whole family. I admire Princess Letizia more than ever now.
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Iam wondering if anyone has a complete family photo of Letizia, Thelma, Erica and their parents. One that is not too old. The sisters are all so beautiful.
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Old 02-11-2007, 02:17 PM
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Iam wondering if anyone has a complete family photo of Letizia, Thelma, Erica and their parents. One that is not too old. The sisters are all so beautiful.
I believe, but I may be wrong, the only one is from Princess Letizia´s wedding as their parents divorced a long time ago so no recent pics I guess. HOLA (this week issue) has pics of them together (mom and the three sisters) and they´re old ones... and even in there their dad isn´t pictured.
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Old 02-11-2007, 02:33 PM
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Infanta Cristina was not there either but Elena was. .
Really?? I saw on photos to Cristina and Elena at the funeral, or what day were those photos from (when Letizia said thanks to all the people for the support to the Little Sister's death)??
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Old 02-11-2007, 02:36 PM
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Really?? I saw on photos to Cristina and Elena at the funeral, or what day were those photos from??
On the first day when Princess Letizia and Prince Felipe talked to the media both Elena and Cristina were there. But yesterday, day 11, only Elena attended.
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On the first day when Princess Letizia and Prince Felipe talked to the media both Elena and Cristina were there. But yesterday, day 11, only Elena attended.
oOh.. I didn't know... Thanks for the information!
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Old 02-11-2007, 02:38 PM
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oOh.. I didn't know... Thanks for the information!
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Old 02-11-2007, 03:02 PM
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Can someone tell me what's in the article 'four hours with Erika Ortiz'? Thanks in advance.
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Old 02-11-2007, 03:04 PM
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Can someone tell me what's in the article 'four hours with Erika Ortiz'? Thanks in advance.
I don´t know about it either. I would appreciate some info too please. Thanks.
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Old 02-11-2007, 03:18 PM
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Yes, I guess The King didn´t attended it because of that. Infanta Cristina was not there either but Elena was. I guess it has something to do with protocol who must be there or not.
I don't think it has anything to do with the protocol, mainly because it's unlikely that the protocol establishes anything about the funeral of the sister of a daughter-in-law.

Probably the royal house considered that the king had already done his job towards public opinion and image by appearing and being photographed on Thursday.

About the Ortiz sisters with their parents: besides the wedding, I only know of one picture of the three sisters together as adults, with their mother, possibly taken ca. 1990, see it here.

About Peñafiel: he certainly didn't approve of Letizia as a choice for princess of Asturias. However, he makes a living of gossiping about royal houses. His gossips about foreign celebrities aren't very interesting for his public, so he has to talk mainly about the Spanish royal house.

In talking about Spanish royal matters, all journalists including Peñafiel have to be careful not to incur in a crime of difamation or slander against the king, the queen and their descendants, under articles 490 and 491 of the Criminal Code, crimes that are punished with 2 months to 2 years of prison. Nevertheless, Letizia isn't covered by that legislation any more than a regular citizen, and therefore Peñafiel and other journalists tend to go a little further when they criticize her acts vs. those of the members of the royal family.

From the perspective of certain pro-monarchy journalists, possibly including Peñafiel, criticism against Letizia can be seen as a service to the monarchist cause, since she wasn't adequate as a princess in the first place and she will never be, so her image and her acts undermine monarchy's reputation and should be duly criticized.
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Old 02-11-2007, 03:34 PM
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In talking about Spanish royal matters, all journalists including Peñafiel have to be careful not to incur in a crime of difamation or slander against the king, the queen and their descendants, under articles 490 and 491 of the Criminal Code, crimes that are punished with 2 months to 2 years of prison. Nevertheless, Letizia isn't covered by that legislation any more than a regular citizen, and therefore Peñafiel and other journalists tend to go a little further when they criticize her acts vs. those of the members of the royal family.
When a middle class person marries into a royal household, it becomes a different life for the rest of this person's family. They have no protection and the press intrudes at all times. They could even be harmed . This seems to be a more modern problem . We now have several Crown Princesses in this position. Someone did mention that in Princess Mathilde's case , her family was taken care of by the King and were given elevated status.

What is the solution??
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Old 02-11-2007, 03:42 PM
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When a middle class person marries into a royal household, it becomes a different life for the rest of this person's family. They have no protection and the press intrudes at all times. They could even be harmed . This seems to be a more modern problem . We now have several Crown Princesses in this position. Someone did mention that in Princess Mathilde's case , her family was taken care of by the King and were given elevated status.

What is the solution??
No title/royal care = press attacks...

Btw. Mathilde came from aristocratic and well connected families - special from her mother's side. I mean Princely Sapiecha - Kodeński family.
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Old 02-11-2007, 03:46 PM
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I was wondering about the applause too. It seemed inappropriate, like the people gathered there thought they were watching something manufactured for their entertainment.
I think that's just a European custom. I remember the crowd doing the same thing when the Pope died. It's a sign of respect and not used in the same way that Americans do.
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like the people gathered there thought they were watching something manufactured for their entertainment.
This is a really shrewd comment.
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Old 02-11-2007, 04:09 PM
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The princess pain in La razon picture is just beyond words,prince looks desperate too.i just hope Telma decide to stay more to help and support the family.the first day it was pregnant letizia who should be the rock and support of the family,i think now it's Telama's turn.
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Old 02-11-2007, 04:10 PM
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Photos from Hola
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A photo of the to sisters
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I think that's just a European custom. I remember the crowd doing the same thing when the Pope died. It's a sign of respect and not used in the same way that Americans do.
Absolutely.

Do not forget that especially in the South of Europe people go to the funerals, it is a sign of respect and support to the families
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The princess pain in La razon picture is just beyond words,prince looks desperate too.
Do you mean this picture? http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8695/portadado9.jpg

I don't think Thelma is staying for very long, she'll rather go back to the Phillipines as soon as possible to avoid the media circus.

Some other well-meant ridiculous statements:

"Today we saw Prince Felipe doing things we thought we wold never see him doing: he really showed his human side. For instance, he opened the car's door himself and sat on the co-pilot's seat" (Saturday Sweet Life) -this time insulting Felipe's life skills

"By kissing Paloma on the cheek, the Queen gave a lesson of immense humanity" (idem) -I wonder what a regular human being would have done

"Letizia greeted the crowd [that was outside the church]. By this gesture, she showed her solidarity with the pain the Spanish people is suffering" (idem) -maybe the commentator meant the other way around, or "showed her appreciation for the people's solidarity", I don't know
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I don´t know about it either. I would appreciate some info too please. Thanks.
It's an interview she gave on june 9th 2004, she talks about herself, her family, her job, her daughter.. that lasted 4 hours.. that's why it's "cuatro horas con Erika Ortiz"


An interesting fact about that interview that I didn't know is that she spoke 4 languages, spanish, italian, english and german ..
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Someone did mention that in Princess Mathilde's case , her family was taken care of by the King and were given elevated status.

What is the solution??
Princess Mathilde comes from a highly aristocratic family, from both her father and mother who is a marquess of Polish origin.
From all the actual CP she is the only one who comes from a level quite comparable to the Prince.
The problem is for ALL the other CP, Letizia, Mary, Maxima, Mette Maritt, they all came from the middle normal society, and their parents continue to live quite as before, out of any palaces, residences, and upper class traditions.
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