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Rania among schoolchildren students with Armani made jacket.I dont live in Jordan but thi picture tells everything about how much people are poor in Jordan
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Rania with a coat made by Kenneth Cole,just compare her to the women in back
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big deal, kenneth cole, armani too, he has prete a porter stores, in amsterdam there is one and it is the place where amongst others, wives of football players buy their stuff.

the lady in the back ground will not care how much her jacket costs, she probably will have a good laugh if she heard because the price of clothes are very often a big rip off. She might even be proud that her queen looks so smart when she comes to visit (and reinia looks soberly dressed to me, very appropriate)
we had one of these queens,although magazines were full of her stories attending in charities and donating to this and that,from people taxes she bought whatever she wanted even she used gold cups to drinks and gold toilette service but in return she pinched up all the royal jewels and went away,it's true people are strongly against the islamic regime but all hate her too,no one ever felt proud when she spent
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Rania among schoolchildren students with Armani made jacket.I dont live in Jordan but thi picture tells everything about how much people are poor in Jordan

If you hadn't said it was Armani, I wouldn't have known this. It looks like a simple jacket to me...nothing extravagant. I realize for many of us here, Rania's choice of clothing is a stark contrast to what the people are wearing she encounters, but a "toning down" or changing in clothing would only make us happy, and not necessarily reflect the feelings of the poor people in Jordan. Ok say for argument sakes, some might appreciate her not "flaunting" her wealth, but at the end of the day, it still doesn't solve the country's problems.


Queen Noor was supposedly known for dressing simple, yet elegant when attending engagements, however, I'm sure whatever she wore cost more than that of many of the people she encountered as well...She maybe even went casual a few times while meeting the poor, but did the way she dress improve or fix any of Jordan's problems? No it didn't. I'm sure those women realize that she
(QN) was still in a better position, financially, than say the country as a whole.


So, Rania could be less flashy when doing engagements in Jordan, however, nothing will have changed because of it...maybe a few minds might think of her differently, but the people will still be poor. Also, her choice of clothing, whether they be expensive or none expensive, won't determine if she is a hard working queen or not.
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If you hadn't said it was Armani, I wouldn't have known this. It looks like a simple jacket to me...nothing extravagant. I realize for many of us here, Rania's choice of clothing is a stark contrast to what the people are wearing she encounters, but a "toning down" or changing in clothing would only make us happy, and not necessarily reflect the feelings of the poor people in Jordan. Ok say for argument sakes, some might appreciate her not "flaunting" her wealth, but at the end of the day, it still doesn't solve the country's problems.


Queen Noor was supposedly known for dressing simple, yet elegant when attending engagements, however, I'm sure whatever she wore cost more than that of many of the people she encountered as well...She maybe even went casual a few times while meeting the poor, but did the way she dress improve or fix any of Jordan's problems? No it didn't. I'm sure those women realize that she
(QN) was still in a better position, financially, than say the country as a whole.


So, Rania could be less flashy when doing engagements in Jordan, however, nothing will have changed because of it...maybe a few minds might think of her differently, but the people will still be poor. Also, her choice of clothing, whether they be expensive or none expensive, won't determine if she is a hard working queen or not.
yes it's a simple jacket wich costs a teaher's one month salary in Jordan(or maybe more).I never pay too much for casual wear or simple thing that i can find in any store,but seems that Rania doesnt care she just want to spend
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If you hadn't said it was Armani, I wouldn't have known this. It looks like a simple jacket to me...nothing extravagant.
Just because there isn't an apparent logo on the clothing or accessories doesn't make them not designer.

Clothes don't have to have an LV or CC logo on it to make it expensive.

That is perhaps the most concerning thing about Rania and her spending: Just because it doesn't have such logos on it, people don't realize how much she spends on her wardrobe. And this allows much of Rania's spending to fly under the radar of unscrupulous eyes.
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You know it would be interesting to compare all the 1st ladies of less developed countries and see who dresses like what, how hard they work, etc. I kind of don't have time or this so if someone wants to start that type of thread.
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Well I think royals from developed countries have been criticized cuz of their spending habits. You know like the birtish royals.
And they don't wear all the bling bling stuff and super designer stuff that rania wears all the time
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Well I think royals from developed countries have been criticized cuz of their spending habits. You know like the birtish royals.
And they don't wear all the bling bling stuff and super designer stuff that rania wears all the time

As far as bling bling, Rania's bling pales in comparison to the jewelry I have seen around the necks, on the ears, and the heads of many of the European Queens.
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As far as bling bling, Rania's bling pales in comparison to the jewelry I have seen around the necks, on the ears, and the heads of many of the European Queens.
I've never seen Rania wear too much jewellery, so I'm not sure what "bling bling" you are referring to. Her jewellery always seems to be rather smaller, more restrained pieces (except for that green tiara she wore on the British state visit).

The important thing to remember though is that a lot of the "bling bling" worn by some of the royal ladies -- and Queen Margrethe comes to mind as being the most bejewelled of her counterparts -- is that the Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, British, etc., jewels have been inherited over the years. And we're not talking about within the last 10 years, but over centuries. Queen Margrethe, Queen Sylvia, etc., didn't go out to Bulgari and buy these jewels themselves one recent afternoon.

The minimal jewellery I have seen Rania wear, however, seems to be mostly new, modern pieces. They are certainly not pieces that I have seen in pictures being worn by Jordan's previous queens.
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I've never seen Rania wear too much jewellery, so I'm not sure what "bling bling" you are referring to. Her jewellery always seems to be rather smaller, more restrained pieces (except for that green tiara she wore on the British state visit).

The important thing to remember though is that a lot of the "bling bling" worn by some of the royal ladies -- and Queen Margrethe comes to mind as being the most bejewelled of her counterparts -- is that the Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, British, etc., jewels have been inherited over the years. And we're not talking about within the last 10 years, but over centuries. Queen Margrethe, Queen Sylvia, etc., didn't go out to Bulgari and buy these jewels themselves one recent afternoon.

The minimal jewellery I have seen Rania wear, however, seems to be mostly new, modern pieces. They are certainly not pieces that I have seen in pictures being worn by Jordan's previous queens.

Right, the pieces that the European queens wear are inherited over time, but also those same pieces are now probably priceless. What I mean when I said her (Rania) jewelry pales in comparison...the European Queens have more of it, and is probably worth much more, without even combining it all. I also agree that the pieces that Rania wears is newer stuff. Now, maybe Rania wears too much jewelry, I don't know....Never paid much attention to that, or at least nothing ever caught my eye.
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it has always been part of the dutch culture (see the book the embaressement of riches by simon schama) to live and dress soberly even though you might be quite wealthy, the dutch royals reflect that.
Perhaps it is a bit of the same for many royal west european families.

In contrast I think that (I am not an expert) that all the royals and upper classes of under developed countries seem to dress and live extravagantly.
So lets give Rainia a break, I still have the impression that she is doing the best she can, given the culture she comes from and given that she has a big family with very young children.

Many of the European Queens might not be wearing Armani or Gucci, but I know the gowns that they wear are far from being sober, and I'm sure are just as expensive if not more. The outfits they wear while on visits, or doing their duties, may not scream extravagant, but you know they aren't cheap, either. I'm not an expert either, but I think they all, whether they are from developed or undeveloped countries, live extravagantly...In Rania's case, she maybe more flashy than the others, but IMO, that is the difference. That's why I say we shouldn't just be critical of just Rania, why not be critical of them all? Aren't we off topic again? Nothing about the way Rania dresses, nor the way other European royals dress have remotely anything to do with the topic of this thread. It doesn't reflect in any way, shape, or form if Rania is a hard working queen.
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Picture from polfoto.dk, where Rania gives a necklace made by Jordanian women to H. Clinton. It's nice and symbolic gesture/gift. However I don't how much Rania wears jewels made by jordanian.


POLFOTO 12.11.1999 Queen Rania (R) of Jordan helps US First Lady Hillary Clinton 12 November 1999 put on a necklace which was made by a Jordanian woman who benefitted from a US loan program to set up a small but successful jewellery business in the southern city of Petra, Jordan's key archeological and tourist attraction site.
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All this discussion and debate of Q Rania's clothing and fashion choices..seems like many people believe she dresses over-extravagantly. But wasn't Princess Diana a fashion plate too? How is Q Rania any different from many other Royals around the world who wear designer labels and expensive clothing?
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All this discussion and debate of Q Rania's clothing and fashion choices..seems like many people believe she dresses over-extravagantly. But wasn't Princess Diana a fashion plate too? How is Q Rania any different from many other Royals around the world who wear designer labels and expensive clothing?
1st- Diana comes from a noble rich family. Even one of the tiaras she wore belongs to her family..

2nd- Jordan is not UK: Economic + political situations are way too different.

3nd- The British royal family has been around for more than one century while JRF is fairly new...Actually even Jordan is a new country...

This is just a simple list to show why it was OK for Diana to dress extravangantly...i am not saying that Rania should dress poorly...but she needs to be a little balanced in many things in her life as a queen...
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How is Q Rania any different from many other Royals around the world who wear designer labels and expensive clothing?

Exactly my point, Zina. IMO, the economical situation of a country shouldn't have any bearing on who should be critcized, and who shouldn't for the way royals spend money. They are all doing the same thing. Like I said before, there are poor people everywhere, including the european countries that have monarchs. Where's the balance there, but I digress. I said I wasn't going to turn this into a debate...I mean we are so far off topic...
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I wasn't talking about jewelry, but just the extravagant look of her dress sometimes.

MOst of the European royals try to wear the clothes that are made in the country they represent.
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I wasn't talking about jewelry, but just the extravagant look of her dress sometimes.

MOst of the European royals try to wear the clothes that are made in the country they represent.

I'm sorry. It's just that you said bling bling, I thought you meant her jewelry. Also, there aren't any designers, to my knowledge, in Jordan, but it would be nice if there were some.
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They have welfare systems in those European countries. And besides they know how to invest their money too. SO they do not have to depend entirely on taxes. I think it is useless to compare European royals to Jordanian royal spednign habits.

And about the bling bling issue I should have made myself clear from the beginning so I am sorry.
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They have welfare systems in those European countries. And besides they know how to invest their money too. SO they do not have to depend entirely on taxes. I think it is useless to compare European royals to Jordanian royal spednign habits.

And about the bling bling issue I should have made myself clear from the beginning so I am sorry.

Yes, in the European countries, there are welfare systems set up to help the poor, but not everyone wants to live on welfare. I bet if you were to do a poll asking those same people would they rather receive a check from the goverment, or would they rather be wealthy like royals, which do you think many of them would choose? Do they seriously receive so much money from welfare that they (the poor) are able to pay bills, buy food, and clothing, other necessities, and still have some left to invest on the side? LOL if so, then maybe our country needs to take a hint from the Europeans. Then we too, can pull our poor people up from the gutter. Sorry Reina, no offense, but I doubt those countries are giving that much money to their citizens that those people can do all of the above, and then invest...unless we are talking about royals investing, not receiving welfare. Did I miss something?


I will say the Scandinavian countries do tend to have a higher standard of living than some of the other European countries, but the cost of living is ridiculous in some of those places. Try living off welfare in Stockholm. Are the people buying fur coats and designer clothing? I wonder how many people there are probably struggling to make ends meet? Also, if you have homeless people in your country, you have poor people.

However, you're right, it is useless to debate spending habits of Jordanian vs European royal spending habits for many reasons. I wasn't trying to compare the two. I was only trying to point out that all of the royals are doing the exact same thing, and argue that since a defense is being made for the poor people of Jordan, why not defend that minority of people who are poor in those other countries, that also have monarchs? (I have a soft spot for all poor people by the way, not some.)

Some members have obviously made up their minds that is ok to criticize the Jordanian royals for their spending mainly because Jordan is an undeveloped country, and well that is their perogatives, but I think it's kind of hypocritical to turn a blind eye to the rest of the royals spending when they have poor people living in their countries too, despite having a welfare system. In my eyes, they are all guilty of it. When everyone can buy fur coats, designer clothing and very nice homes in Europe, Jordan, and and other places, only then I can look the other way. I rest my case on this subject though...it's pointless to discuss it, and it's off topic.
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