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Old 02-28-2005, 10:50 AM
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I wasn't talking about jewelry, but just the extravagant look of her dress sometimes.

MOst of the European royals try to wear the clothes that are made in the country they represent.
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Old 02-28-2005, 11:51 AM
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All this discussion and debate of Q Rania's clothing and fashion choices..seems like many people believe she dresses over-extravagantly. But wasn't Princess Diana a fashion plate too? How is Q Rania any different from many other Royals around the world who wear designer labels and expensive clothing?
1st- Diana comes from a noble rich family. Even one of the tiaras she wore belongs to her family..

2nd- Jordan is not UK: Economic + political situations are way too different.

3nd- The British royal family has been around for more than one century while JRF is fairly new...Actually even Jordan is a new country...

This is just a simple list to show why it was OK for Diana to dress extravangantly...i am not saying that Rania should dress poorly...but she needs to be a little balanced in many things in her life as a queen...
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Old 02-28-2005, 02:02 PM
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I wasn't talking about jewelry, but just the extravagant look of her dress sometimes.

MOst of the European royals try to wear the clothes that are made in the country they represent.

I'm sorry. It's just that you said bling bling, I thought you meant her jewelry. Also, there aren't any designers, to my knowledge, in Jordan, but it would be nice if there were some.
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Old 02-28-2005, 02:16 PM
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How is Q Rania any different from many other Royals around the world who wear designer labels and expensive clothing?

Exactly my point, Zina. IMO, the economical situation of a country shouldn't have any bearing on who should be critcized, and who shouldn't for the way royals spend money. They are all doing the same thing. Like I said before, there are poor people everywhere, including the european countries that have monarchs. Where's the balance there, but I digress. I said I wasn't going to turn this into a debate...I mean we are so far off topic...
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Old 02-28-2005, 06:22 PM
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They have welfare systems in those European countries. And besides they know how to invest their money too. SO they do not have to depend entirely on taxes. I think it is useless to compare European royals to Jordanian royal spednign habits.

And about the bling bling issue I should have made myself clear from the beginning so I am sorry.
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Old 02-28-2005, 08:06 PM
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They have welfare systems in those European countries. And besides they know how to invest their money too. SO they do not have to depend entirely on taxes. I think it is useless to compare European royals to Jordanian royal spednign habits.

And about the bling bling issue I should have made myself clear from the beginning so I am sorry.

Yes, in the European countries, there are welfare systems set up to help the poor, but not everyone wants to live on welfare. I bet if you were to do a poll asking those same people would they rather receive a check from the goverment, or would they rather be wealthy like royals, which do you think many of them would choose? Do they seriously receive so much money from welfare that they (the poor) are able to pay bills, buy food, and clothing, other necessities, and still have some left to invest on the side? LOL if so, then maybe our country needs to take a hint from the Europeans. Then we too, can pull our poor people up from the gutter. Sorry Reina, no offense, but I doubt those countries are giving that much money to their citizens that those people can do all of the above, and then invest...unless we are talking about royals investing, not receiving welfare. Did I miss something?


I will say the Scandinavian countries do tend to have a higher standard of living than some of the other European countries, but the cost of living is ridiculous in some of those places. Try living off welfare in Stockholm. Are the people buying fur coats and designer clothing? I wonder how many people there are probably struggling to make ends meet? Also, if you have homeless people in your country, you have poor people.

However, you're right, it is useless to debate spending habits of Jordanian vs European royal spending habits for many reasons. I wasn't trying to compare the two. I was only trying to point out that all of the royals are doing the exact same thing, and argue that since a defense is being made for the poor people of Jordan, why not defend that minority of people who are poor in those other countries, that also have monarchs? (I have a soft spot for all poor people by the way, not some.)

Some members have obviously made up their minds that is ok to criticize the Jordanian royals for their spending mainly because Jordan is an undeveloped country, and well that is their perogatives, but I think it's kind of hypocritical to turn a blind eye to the rest of the royals spending when they have poor people living in their countries too, despite having a welfare system. In my eyes, they are all guilty of it. When everyone can buy fur coats, designer clothing and very nice homes in Europe, Jordan, and and other places, only then I can look the other way. I rest my case on this subject though...it's pointless to discuss it, and it's off topic.
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Old 02-28-2005, 08:21 PM
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But again they do invest their money and many royasl families have downsized. I just don'tm think they they have a big affect on the lives of the poor like Jordanian royals do.
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Old 02-28-2005, 08:40 PM
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It is naive to say that spending could be the same whether you are an European royalty or a jordanian...This is a very simplistic view..

Spending needs to be seen in a context [where you are coming from, who are your people, the economic and political situation of the country, how long have you been a royal, what is the source of the money you are spending from, is there a minium of decent living in the country you are serving, etc...)

Rania is overdoing in all aspects...she is even more that those rich royal families of Europe who have been existing for so many many years (centuries)...I understand her insecurities and her efforts to hide them through the perfect look in all aspects (plastic surgeries, top designers clothes and so on)....
I give 100% mark in her efforts to dress super elegant...and this is where all her efforts are targeted ...she is a hardworking queen in making HER OWN SELF looking THE VERY BEST regardless of how much it costs and whatever the source of the money
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But again they do invest their money and many royasl families have downsized. I just don'tm think they they have a big affect on the lives of the poor like Jordanian royals do.

Ok Reina, if that's how you feel, then that's how you feel right? Why don't we agree to disagree, and move on.:)
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Old 02-28-2005, 09:01 PM
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It is naive to say that spending could be the same whether you are an European royalty or a jordanian...This is a very simplistic view..

Spending needs to be seen in a context [where you are coming from, who are your people, the economic and political situation of the country, how long have you been a royal, what is the source of the money you are spending from, is there a minium of decent living in the country you are serving, etc...)

Rania is overdoing in all aspects...she is even more that those rich royal families of Europe who have been existing for so many many years (centuries)...I understand her insecurities and her efforts to hide them through the perfect look in all aspects (plastic surgeries, top designers clothes and so on)....
I give 100% mark in her efforts to dress super elegant...and this is where all her efforts are targeted ...she is a hardworking queen in making HER OWN SELF looking THE VERY BEST regardless of how much it costs and whatever the source of the money

Not being rude, but you're a little late. I'm finished debating this topic. I think I made myself clear when I said I won't be turning a blind eye to any of the royals spending, nor will I make a difference for some, and not all. As my mom would say, right is right, and right ain't never wronged anybody.:) I honestly hate that I got involved in this particular debate as I have always tried to avoid this topic for obvious reasons. I won't judge just one, and not hold others accountable, sorry. If you want to, that's fine. That's your right. As far as whether Rania is a hard working queen, I feel her choice of clothing have nothing to do with how hard she may or may not work. If you are going to speculate based upon some pictures, and make that kind of judgement, then that's your perogative. :)
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Old 02-28-2005, 10:07 PM
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All right we all agree to disagree! Anyway so hwat is the topic again?
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It is naive to say that spending could be the same whether you are an European royalty or a jordanian...This is a very simplistic view..

Spending needs to be seen in a context [where you are coming from, who are your people, the economic and political situation of the country, how long have you been a royal, what is the source of the money you are spending from, is there a minium of decent living in the country you are serving, etc...)

Rania is overdoing in all aspects...she is even more that those rich royal families of Europe who have been existing for so many many years (centuries)...I understand her insecurities and her efforts to hide them through the perfect look in all aspects (plastic surgeries, top designers clothes and so on)....
Good post.

Even though other countries like Denmark and Sweden have poor people in their countries, the poor people in those countries don't outnumber the rich people like is the case in Jordan.

Saying that there is poor people everywhere, while true, also needs to be taken into context as noted.

Countries like Denmark and Sweden have welfare programs and other social assistance programs to aid their poorer citizens. Jordan does not or at least not to the extensive degree that first world nations do. Even if the poorer citizens of Denmark and Sweden cannot afford fur coats like their queens own, they can at least feed their families. In Jordan feeding your families is not always as certain or guaranteed. Even working citizens in Jordan make very little and struggle to feed, clothe and shelter their families.

In that context, to have a queen who spends so lavishly and lives such an exorbitant life is out of place and insensitive to the needs of her citizens.

Rania is trying through her physical appearance to look like she is the queen of a western country when she is the queen of a Middle Eastern country. Queens in western countries can lead different lives than queens of poor Middle Eastern nations because their people live different lives.

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I give 100% mark in her efforts to dress super elegant...and this is where all her efforts are targeted ...she is a hardworking queen in making HER OWN SELF looking THE VERY BEST regardless of how much it costs and whatever the source of the money
That she does very well. She works tirelessly to achieve this. At this she works the hardest of any of the queens and crown princesses.
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Old 03-02-2005, 09:08 PM
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I won't be turning a blind eye to any of the royals spending, nor will I make a difference for some, and not all. As my mom would say, right is right, and right ain't never wronged anybody.:) I honestly hate that I got involved in this particular debate as I have always tried to avoid this topic for obvious reasons. I won't judge just one, and not hold others accountable, sorry. If you want to, that's fine. That's your right. As far as whether Rania is a hard working queen, I feel her choice of clothing have nothing to do with how hard she may or may not work. If you are going to speculate based upon some pictures, and make that kind of judgement, then that's your perogative. :)
If life and the world were fair then your assessment would be right and I would agree with you. It wouldn't be right to apply one rule or principle to one queen but not to all the queens.

But life isn't fair and life is different the world over. Even in one country or one region there are different living standards and lifestyles.

Just as Rania deals with different social issues in Jordan, so does Margrethe in Denmark, Paola in Belgium, Sofia in Spain. In Spain the Basque Separatists frequently target the Spanish royals and make attempts on their lives and constantly put the family in danger. Hence the Spanish royals, especially the King and Queen and the Prince and Princess of Asturias are carefully monitored by security. In Denmark nobody is trying to assassinate Margrethe, Henrik, Frederik or Mary.

Or just like in Denmark the expectations of their royals are more relaxed and free so Mary can do three interviews in two months and pose for photographs in glossy magazines if she wants to. But in Spain that would be unheard of for Letizia to do this.

The same applies to spending. Just because Margrethe can spend $8,000 on a fur jacket and not give it a second thought doesn't mean that Rania can buy a $3,000 Gautier evening gown and not give it a second thought.

Life in Denmark isn't the same as life in Jordan and their queens should adjust their spending habits and carry on their roles accordingly as to what is appropriate for their own country and their people. You shouldn't try to keep up with the Jones's or say that because Margrethe has a new fur coat its okay for Rania to have one too. If life were that fair then we wouldn't have such a hierarcial and elitist system as monarchies - everyone could be kings and queens then and no matter what you think of Rania or her spending, that isn't really how life is.
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If life and the world were fair then your assessment would be right and I would agree with you. It wouldn't be right to apply one rule or principle to one queen but not to all the queens.

But life isn't fair and life is different the world over. Even in one country or one region there are different living standards and lifestyles.

Just as Rania deals with different social issues in Jordan, so does Margrethe in Denmark, Paola in Belgium, Sofia in Spain. In Spain the Basque Separatists frequently target the Spanish royals and make attempts on their lives and constantly put the family in danger. Hence the Spanish royals, especially the King and Queen and the Prince and Princess of Asturias are carefully monitored by security. In Denmark nobody is trying to assassinate Margrethe, Henrik, Frederik or Mary.

Or just like in Denmark the expectations of their royals are more relaxed and free so Mary can do three interviews in two months and pose for photographs in glossy magazines if she wants to. But in Spain that would be unheard of for Letizia to do this.

The same applies to spending. Just because Margrethe can spend $8,000 on a fur jacket and not give it a second thought doesn't mean that Rania can buy a $3,000 Gautier evening gown and not give it a second thought.

Life in Denmark isn't the same as life in Jordan and their queens should adjust their spending habits and carry on their roles accordingly as to what is appropriate for their own country and their people. You shouldn't try to keep up with the Jones's or say that because Margrethe has a new fur coat its okay for Rania to have one too. If life were that fair then we wouldn't have such a hierarcial and elitist system as monarchies - everyone could be kings and queens then and no matter what you think of Rania or her spending, that isn't really how life is.

I said I was not going to discuss this anymore because it would be pointless to continue when it is obvious we are at odds on this. I mean we could continue to debate this, but we would be going in circles. I still stand by what I said as do the rest of you who disagree with what I have said. I get there is a difference in the poor in Jordan, and say the poor in England and Spain, in some cases just barely. I would like to say this...I never said that Rania's wearing of the latest designer duds is/was acceptable. If I implied that, then I apologize because I definitely was not trying to imply that at all. What I was trying to say is all royals should be criticized for spending ridiculous amounts of money on clothing, not just some. Many of you disagree, and that's fine, but that's how I feel. You're right though, if life were fair, we'd all be wearing fur coats.:)
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I really don't think the Euro. royals are reckless spenders. In fact I think b/c the histroy that countries in the Western hemisphere have with capitalsim, democracy, etc., that they are mor eapt to save and spend their money wisely. Hence recycling of clothes, incvesting, etc., etc.

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There seems to be a discrepancy in the topic. The original topic said something different, but what was replaced now says "Reasons why Queen Rania is a hard working queen." Nothing to do with her clothing, or spending, but her topics seem to take that direction at times.:)
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There seems to be a discrepancy in the topic. The original topic said something different, but what was replaced now says "Reasons why Queen Rania is a hard working queen." Nothing to do with her clothing, or spending, but her topics seem to take that direction at times.:)
I suggest that the thread title be changed 'coz it's QR's spending & clothing, that seems to interest us most, not her work.:)
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There seems to be a discrepancy in the topic. The original topic said something different, but what was replaced now says "Reasons why Queen Rania is a hard working queen." Nothing to do with her clothing, or spending, but her topics seem to take that direction at times.:)
I agree, Sommone. I gave up on this thread a while back. It seems to me the only thing people can fault Rania is what she wears and they just keep on and on and on...

No one has really proven she doesn't work hard and that's half the point of this thread I believe
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I agree, Sommone. I gave up on this thread a while back. It seems to me the only thing people can fault Rania is what she wears and they just keep on and on and on...

No one has really proven she doesn't work hard and that's half the point of this thread I believe
as far as I'm following sommone's posts I think that her opinion is not that rania is a hardworking queen,she says that all royalties are the same in spending ways and for you would you please give us a proof that she works hard?
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No one has really proven she doesn't work hard and that's half the point of this thread I believe

Come on,and no one has not proven that she does work hardly either !

All what has proven here and in other threads that rania gives a special interest for her look which does changed a lot from before 1999 and after !


I don't think that it needs to be justifyed or to be proven that she works hardly or not,if she works and serves good her peolple,her works would talk for itself and would not need all that blah blah .... !
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