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Old 02-19-2005, 03:38 AM
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Question Behavior fit for a queen!

Since we are a lot here to be not impressed by the big fuss around queen rania and her so called "big and hard work for her country".


and since we know her more through the stylish clothes from designers than other thing.


Talk here about how do you think she could to serve more her people and country?


What are the behaviors that she have to evart as a muslim queen of a muslim and poor country involved in many coflicts?


Discuss!


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Old 02-19-2005, 03:39 AM
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i don't like QR i don't think she represent her country and her people all what she do is acting like models even i don't like QN too but she was simple and i think she was closer to her people that QR even QR dosen't represnt muslim woman she were backless and other stuff while she has to wear like muslim one
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Old 02-19-2005, 12:11 PM
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Thank you all for your responses..before starting this thread, i keep reading in others threads (from one member especially) how wonderful and hardworking rania is although i do not believe in it 100%. Yes, she works hard to dress nicely no matter what the means is and no matter how she will get those means. I wanted to know what extraordinary things this Rania did..

being a way too ambitious person and dying to be a model since her pre-wedding days, rania has found a golden opportunity to fulfill this modeling dream when she married ka. I always found it awkward that she wears very expensive top designers clothes when visiting poor areas and poor people..How insensitive...I am not saying she should dress poorly...but you can always be simply and nicely dressed without exaggerting...And therefore what ever she is doing as "work" is overshaddowed by her extravangent way of life and dress.... And many people say what she mostly does was an extension of the work done by Queen Noor......
Anyway, i am not impressed by her person but i like her wardrobe..I also find her pretty and elegant...no more..no more
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Old 02-19-2005, 01:14 PM
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Do not judge less you be judged.
I have been reading the forums devoted to Queen Rania and her family as well as other royal families for about a year. It seems to me that everybody tries to be a judge. Sometimes personal opinions touch on direct insults.
Right are those, who state that Jordan is a developing country, and people need more attention to their immediate problems. At the same time, they seem to forget that they live in stable political conditions, i.e. without shooting, acts of terror, and other similar things, which is also important.
Queen Rania does whatever she can.

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Old 02-19-2005, 03:33 PM
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The thing with Rania is that there is always an emphasis on her style rather than any substance she offers - if any which is the point of this thread I guess.

No matter how many charities or rights organizations Rania is a part of, so long as she is part of them in only a cursory manner, the focus paid by the media will always be to the designer clothes she wears, how beautiful she is and what a young queen she is. Unlike the other present reigning queens who have been in their roles for decades, and before that as Crown Princesses, Rania has not established herself yet. Nor does it seem she cares to or intends to.

When you think of some of the other Queens, you can immediately think of charities they are affiliated with or especially devoted to, such as Queen Silvia with her children's charities or Queen Margrethe and her art patronages, or Princess Diana to AIDS charities and Queen Noor to landmines. Even more startling is that some of the Crown Princesses who have been part of their royal families for roughly the same amount of time as Rania has been Queen have been able to establishe their own charitable mandates: Princess Laurentien with her literacy charities or Crown Princess Mette-Marit with her AIDS charities. But no such charity immediately comes to mind when one thinks of Rania. (Unless Prada is a charity now.)

In another thread someone asked what Rania needs to do to change the perception of herself as being merely a designer clothes queen. I think what she needs to do is to embrace a charity or a cause in a major way. She needs to bring as much attention to an organization as Princess Diana did to landmines in the last few months of her life. With her physical looks and her youth, Rania can no doubt capture public attention on this organization or this issue and really support it and try to bring solutions to the matter. Until she can be seen to be really fighting for something, championing some cause and putting 100% of herself behind it, instead of just showing up at events here and there, she will never be more than style which drastically lacks substance.

I don't know if Rania has it in her to do this though. I think she is a smart woman but I don't think she is that committed to her role as Queen in the way that some of the other queens and princesses are. I think she likes the title, the prestige and the big palaces and perks that go with the role but to get out there and perform royal engagements day in and day out the way Queen Elizabeth does, I simply don't see her doing that. Rania will perform the role so long as she is financially reimbursed in a fair manner, whether that means actual dollars or in clothes and purses. If royals were stripped of their civil salary, their palaces and those chauffered cars, but asked to stay on and represent their countries, I couldn't see Rania staying in it for the long haul. I could see the likes of Sofia and Silvia (those who have also married into their roles) staying on and representing Spain and Sweden but Rania, no. As soon as the perks are gone and cache of being a Queen are gone, Rania would be the first to bail.
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Old 02-19-2005, 04:53 PM
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re her haute couture passion:she is one of the 25 (or so) women from middle eastern countries who keep the haute couture houses from closing and in this way secures the employment of some very gifted craftmen and women and they are able to teach the young their crafts so that it is not lost.
Women in Middle Eastern countries aren't the only ones who wear designer clothes. If Rania and these 25 (or so) women stopped wearing designer clothes the gifted craftsmen and craftswomen wouldn't be out of work and their talents wouldn't be lost in the least.

And frankly, to keep 25 (or so) Middle Eastern women well dressed isn't sufficient reason in my books for the rest of their country's citizens to be living in poverty or degradation. The majority of the women in Jordan probably couldn't afford one bead on one of Rania's purses. And if they were given the option of one of her Hermes scarves or feeding their family for a month, I think the choice would be obvious.

Rania's outlandish spending on her clothes and accessories and keeping herself looking pretty don't justify keeping some craftspeople in business. The ends don't justifty the means. And perhaps if some of the money Rania spent on clothes and purses were put back into Jordan then these craftspeople would have other means of work and wouldn't have to make their living sewing beads onto Chanel gowns.
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Old 02-19-2005, 07:54 PM
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I think QR does many fine works.....but so do many other queens around the world. I worry the "hardest working queen in world" part will lead to comments debating that issue instead of what I know you mean--which is, input from others on what QR is doing and what has been posted in other threads about her good works and time spent doing them. So, I hope we can all keep the discussion to that aspect and not debate who is "hardest working" as that does not appear to me to be intent of thread. Thank you all!
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Old 02-20-2005, 03:50 AM
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aren't middle eastern royal women supposed to keep a low profile?
As I understand it the queen of marocco appearing in public is new and we never see pictures of the women of the saudi arabian royals.
I never read in no-where that ME royal first ladies have to keep a low profile and they are supposed to be that way!

If itís the reality in some ME countries, personally I see it as a royal way of life which most of the time doesn't follow whole society change.

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rainia being a clotheshorse might be partly how she and her husband like it and partly because the arabian elite on whose good will they also depend find her dressing normal.
I agree on this. Usually we comment on ME royals spending/way of life and we forget that the big part of their behaviors are based on some elites agreement who take advantages of that. Hopefully those elites donít represent the whole society.
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Old 02-20-2005, 03:52 AM
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I kind of avoided this particular thread as I wasn't too thrilled with the title and also the obvious sarcasm it evoked (in my eyes). But everyone is entitled to their own opinion and expression I guess. I am also kind of shocked to see that most members who have posted so far know so little about the Queen and her work. I am not trying to be nasty in any way, in fact just the opposite. We are all here to some extent to learn and be informed about royals, not just royals we love. I've been to other sections of the Forum a lot to just learn about what exactly other royals that aren't my particular favourites for example do. It's been enlightening.

But back to Queen Rania: The most important organization that she is involved in (and one that will become her legacy at least in Jordan) is The Jordan River Foundation. If you go to its website there is lots of information about what it actually does.

http:/www.jordanriver.jo/

In a nutshell though, Jordan River works to benefit women and particularly children in Jordan. Its projects are also geared towards securing a better family unit as well as environmental issues.

Some other organizations that Queen Rania is involved with:

International Osteoporosis Foundation (she is its Patron)

Arab Women's Summit (she is its President for 2002-2004)

World Economic Forum (she is on its Foundation Board)

UN Children's Fund (she is involved in the Global Leadership Initiative)

The Vaccine Fund (providing immunization to the poorest countries)

International Youth Foundation (helps young people all around the world)

FINCA (Foundation for International Community Assistance, she is on its board) keyword: microfinance

Arab Academy for Banking and Financial Sciences (AABFS) - a pioneering institute in the ME region offering technical and academic training in banking and financial services

Jordan Cancer Society

National Team for Family Safety

National Team for Early Dvelopment

Child Safety Program and Dar Al-Amman (center for abused and neglected children)

Queen Rania is also involved in boosting tourism in Jordan and most importantly in Information Technology ie. providing Jordanians access to computers, opening computer labs in schools, E-Libraries and clubhouses around the kingdom.
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Old 02-20-2005, 10:32 AM
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As I said once, most of the first ladies get the spot-light because of their husbands, otherwise we couldnít hear of them. In the world, there are few of them who are very active. By active I mean a real work which has nothing to do with the propaganda or being guest of honour in different associations/organizations.

About Rania and money spending, I believe she isnít the only Arab/ME/world first lady who lives that way. To me, she gets more attention than others because she has nice features, she is slim, and she chooses well her dresses which are all from well known designers. She gets also more attention because she belongs to a country where the majority of people are poor Ö and she doesn't hide her love to fashion/camera.
Again I believe she isn't the only first lady who behaves that way in the Arab/ME/world Ö


Why we are interested to know about rania hard work?
I ask this question because in democratic countries, citizens love to see their first ladies active but they donít rely only on that in 100% Ö since all know that the real change & progress happen by the existence of laws and policies approved by the parliament/government/associations/etc with great transparency in their formulation and the governance structures under which they operate.

Unfortunately in many Arab/ME/world countries the situation is different.
And to me if a leader (man) couldnít make real change in his country, then I donít expect his wife will do something.

Personally, I donít rely a lot on first lady work in a system which doesnít fix/control the leaders salaries and where corruption finds great place.
In democratic countries, the queens/first ladiesí work has more meaning because beside what they do, there is democracy and transparency in their institutions that help/accomplish their work. And whatever they spend on jewel/fashion Ö we know all itís within the fixed/controlled salary the government allowed them.
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Old 02-20-2005, 10:58 AM
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rainia being a clotheshorse might be partly how she and her husband like it

I do not think that rainia as a queen is able to say anything about landmines.
I think Rania dressing in designer clothes is exactly only because she and her husband like to do so. They like to lead extravagant lives that are much, much beyond the reach of the majority of their citizens whom they are supposed to be representing.

Why can't Rania do anything abut landmines? She can bring attention to the problem and chair awareness campaigns, raise funding to help get rid of landmines, or raise funding to help those who have been hurt by landmines. There is plenty Rania can do - if only she actually cared or wanted to. How many of us knew about the severity of landmines until Diana, through the Red Cross, visited landmine-afflicted areas, talked to individuals who had lost limbs because undetected landmines had gone off while they were innocently walking by. And why could Noor take up the cause after Diana's death and bring further attention to the cause, but not Rania?

With all the various causes royals take up nobody is asking them to find solutions. Nobody expects that Queen Sofia will find a cure for cancer when she visits a cancer hospital. She is simply raising awareness of such problems or such needs or encouraging able citizens to donate funding for further research. Nobody is asking Rania to do more than in the least raise awareness for real problems and issues rather than to simply raise her personal public profile or Chanel's profile by wearing their suits.
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Old 02-20-2005, 11:09 AM
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About Rania and money spending, I believe she isnít the only Arab/ME/world first lady who lives that way. To me, she gets more attention than others because she has nice features, she is slim, and she chooses well her dresses which are all from well known designers. She gets also more attention because she belongs to a country where the majority of people are poor Ö and she doesn't hide her love to fashion/camera.
Again I believe she isn't the only first lady who behaves that way in the Arab/ME/world Ö

Unfortunately in many Arab/ME/world countries the situation is different.
And to me if a leader (man) couldnít make real change in his country, then I donít expect his wife will do something.


Just because Rania isn't the only woman to do this in the Middle East doesn't make it okay. And isn't this shameful though? If I were Rania I would be embarassed and ashamed of myself, that I could get up each morning and put on $600 shoes, carry around a $1,000 Prada bag not to mention the designer suit and go and shake the hands of my fellow citizens who can barely feed their families and are worried about if their families will be able to eat the next day. If Rania were smarter or if she at least had better advisors she would be more considerate of these factors. It's one thing for Mary to parade around Denmark in a fur coat or a Valentino dress - the majority of Danish citizens aren't poor.

Noor was smart enough to do this. She dressed nicely, impeccably always, but she never flaunted her designer labels in the faces of the citizens she was helping or talking to.

And that's why Abdullah will never be a good King. He is out to serve himself and his wife first rather than the interest of his country and his people. So long as Abdullah flies in hair stylists from London to cut his hair or flies in doctors from Los Angeles to perform his liposuction, vanity will rule the life of him and his wife and the people in Jordan who deserve help or attention to their causes will suffer because their King and Queen care more about themselves than their fellow citizens.
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Old 02-20-2005, 11:24 AM
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I didn't make it ok Ö but just wanted to mention that she isnít the only one who lives that way. Itís important to remember that as well.
Please take my post as a whole ... not a simple sentence.
I did take into consideration your post as a whole. I commented on more than one aspect of your post, so please don't tell me how to read your posts or how to comment on them.
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Old 02-20-2005, 11:24 AM
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Just because Rania isn't the only woman to do this in the Middle East doesn't make it okay. And isn't this shameful though?
I didn't make it ok Ö but just wanted to mention that she isnít the only one who lives that way. Itís important to remember that as well. Please take my post as a whole ... not a simple sentence.


To me appearing to citizens with fashion dresses or hiding it ... doesn't change the reality of money spending without control that many first ladies do (not any first lady ... see my previous post).
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Old 02-20-2005, 01:10 PM
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Jordan River/Balqis Post Provide Best Detail on QR Works

Balqis is right! If you want to know a great deal about QR's works, read this thread and visit the jordan river website. This provides a great deal of information on QR. Members--if they run across--announcements of new projects or endeavours QR is working on might also wish to post them here so we can all learn when/if she elects to take on a new mattter. Mary Shawn
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I kind of avoided this particular thread as I wasn't too thrilled with the title and also the obvious sarcasm it evoked (in my eyes). But everyone is entitled to their own opinion and expression I guess. I am also kind of shocked to see that most members who have posted so far know so little about the Queen and her work. I am not trying to be nasty in any way, in fact just the opposite. We are all here to some extent to learn and be informed about royals, not just royals we love. I've been to other sections of the Forum a lot to just learn about what exactly other royals that aren't my particular favourites for example do. It's been enlightening.

But back to Queen Rania: The most important organization that she is involved in (and one that will become her legacy at least in Jordan) is The Jordan River Foundation. If you go to its website there is lots of information about what it actually does.

http:/www.jordanriver.jo/

In a nutshell though, Jordan River works to benefit women and particularly children in Jordan. Its projects are also geared towards securing a better family unit as well as environmental issues.

Some other organizations that she is involved with:

International Osteoporosis Foundation (she is its Patron)

Arab Women's Summit (she is its President for 2002-2004)

World Economic Forum (she is on its Foundation Board)

UN Children's Fund (she is involved in the Global Leadership Initiative)

The Vaccine Fund (providing immunization to the poorest countries)

International Youth Foundation (helps young people all around the world)

FINCA (Foundation for International Community Assistance, she is on its board) keyword: microfinance

Arab Academy for Banking and Financial Sciences (AABFS) - a pioneering institute in the ME region offering technical and academic training in banking and financial services

Jordan Cancer Society

National Team for Family Safety

National Team for Early Dvelopment

Queen Rania is also involved in boosting tourism in Jordan and most importantly in Information Technology ie. providing Jordanians access to computers, opening computer labs in schools, E-Libraries and clubhouses around the kingdom.
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Old 02-20-2005, 01:37 PM
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Monamona,

the beneficients of her actions do not care whether she is motivated by ambition, every little bit counts and is better than doing nothing.

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Thank you all for your responses..before starting this thread, i keep reading in others threads (from one member especially) how wonderful and hardworking rania is although i do not believe in it 100%. Yes, she works hard to dress nicely no matter what the means is and no matter how she will get those means. I wanted to know what extraordinary things this Rania did..

being a way too ambitious person and dying to be a model since her pre-wedding days, rania has found a golden opportunity to fulfill this modeling dream when she married ka. I always found it awkward that she wears very expensive top designers clothes when visiting poor areas and poor people..How insensitive...I am not saying she should dress poorly...but you can always be simply and nicely dressed without exaggerting...And therefore what ever she is doing as "work" is overshaddowed by her extravangent way of life and dress.... And many people say what she mostly does was an extension of the work done by Queen Noor......
Anyway, i am not impressed by her person but i like her wardrobe..I also find her pretty and elegant...no more..no more
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Old 02-20-2005, 01:48 PM
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Interesting.....hmmm, well QN says she was thrown in the deep end by KH as there is no official role for a Jordanian queen so it becomes what you, as a person, make of it. QR is involved in a wide variety of projects (see post from Balqis) on thread "hardest working Queen." Does travel from place to place pleading for aid or meeting with power-brokers re: situation in Jordan count? She logs a lot of time doing that, I know. Some queens/princesses/consorts or whatever their title is seem most comfortable acting as "helpmate" by simply being present with their spouse at certain events. Others take on causes and work towards those. I have to learn more about microfinance as both QR and QN feel it is the key to success for the women, in particular, in Jordan--but I don't know enough to speak knowledgeably re: this topic. QA started out with the accompanying KH to events role, ribbon cutting and the like then, before her untimely death, seemed to be carving out a role which focused on women, children and health care. Such was her dedication she travelled to participate in a forum on women in arabic countries held in Egypt and hosted by Mrs. Sadat two weeks after giving birth to Prince Ali. Perhaps roles and expectations vary from country to country depending on (a) husband's title and responsibilities and (b) what is traditionally expected of the spouse in that country. I, too, would like to know more about/if there is not a "job description" but rather what expectations are for women in higher diplomatic/royal posts and if Jordan, now, does expect its queen to be out there and speaking on issues. Anyone from Jordan who has thoughts--or anyone in Middle East who lives or has been there--might have interesting feedback.
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Since we are a lot here to be not empressed by the big fuss around queen rania and her so called "big and hard work for her country".


and since we know her more through the stylish clothes from designers than other thing.


Talk here about how do you think she could to serve more her people and country?


What are the behavings that she have to evart as a muslim queen of a muslim and poor country involved in many coflicts?


Discuss!


Monalisa:) .
Very interesting topic. The title of your thread is really eye catching and made me click to read the posts here.
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Old 02-20-2005, 04:27 PM
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pictures carry alot of messages..and the fact that raina goes for her functions with expensive top designers clothes makes her look not credible for what ever things she is doing...And so no need to read the website that Maryshawn recommended us to visit following what Balqis said...

you can say what ever about rania's efforts!?..but the pics are something else...

NB: And please make sure not to edit what I say as you did for the title of this thread that i started..if you want to edit something that does not go along with your opinions, please delete instead as i do not want to sound saying something that i did not say in the first place...
And the least is to let me know about it..

Thanks in advance...
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