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11-27-2003, 02:39 PM
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I agree that Rania is probably a wonderful woman, mother, queen and wife. Let's just hope that the temptation of couture and jewels gradually subside. Does anyone have an idea of what her yearly budget is on clothes and jewelry? [/b][/quote] Oh, I can't believe I wrote "Josephine!" I knew I was responding to Julia, but somehow my fingers didn't. Sorry! |
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11-27-2003, 03:32 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by beebee@Nov 27th, 2003 - 1:39 pm
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11-29-2003, 04:58 AM
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Rania responded to the criticism in an old Newsweek interview, here's an excerpt: "some of the most stinging criticism of Rania comes from Jordan's chattering classes. The wealthy mostly live in Abdoun, a ritzy enclave in west Amman, and count themselves among the most liberal Jordanians. Yet they're the first to point out indiscretions, and gossip relentlessly about Rania's designer outfits and expensive handbags. "She's the handbag queen," says one. Rania begs to differ. She says she shuns "frilly dresses," opting for simple and modern attire. During the interview, at first Rania seemed annoyed by the catcalling. "This Abdoun thing," she said, "it's just jealousy." But then she backed off. "The gossip goes with the turf," she said, adding that she might even learn from the criticism." Newsweek article |
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12-01-2003, 03:39 AM
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Pls, all of u, do read - Nine parts of a desire- by G. Brooks. The chapter about Q Noor, it's called- A Queen- QN was also used as a scapegoat when things in Jordan were bad, now it's Q Rania's turn. Btw, P Ali has been very active against Honour Killings the last few years. He's quite serious about his fight.
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12-01-2003, 04:51 AM
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in Newsweek article, there are more serious things against KA and QR, being not down-to-earth, that this story of gold shoes :
Other royal actions are more consequential. Both Abdullah and Rania, for instance, have tried to guide debate about Jordan's troubled economy, and both have taken criticism for it. In a country that has 30 percent unemployment, growing imports and falling exports, some believe the king and queen are out of touch. Many homes in Amman don't have water, the rural areas suffer grinding poverty and most of the country lacks the necessary infrastructure to attract serious investment, many experts say. Yet the king tours high-tech meccas like Singapore and Silicon Valley, and the queen has been a big proponent of bringing technology to schools. "We need to fix the Old Economy before we get to the New Economy," says political analyst Radwan Abdullah. "The idea of making Jordan a high-tech hub is ridiculous."  |
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12-01-2003, 08:38 AM
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Honor Killing is part of the culture not of the regime. You can't truely believe that if the law was passed making honor killings illegal that they would simply go away or even decrease drastically. Until the mind set of the people is changed then honor killings will not be thought of as wrong by the majority. I do not believe that having Ali or any Royal be more critical of Abdullah's regime will change that. In a perfect world, you may believe that there would be fewer honor killings if there was a free society. Yet Honor Killing is part of the culture. It doesn't matter if their is a dictator or anarchy or a totally free society, until the mind set is changed then they will continue. I truely believe that Ali and other Royals are attempting do that.
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12-01-2003, 12:26 PM
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Honour killings are a part of many cultures including some parts of Pakistan for example. This horrible practice is a remnant of ancient practices and beliefs. It is unfortunate that people continue to practice something so terrible and hide behind religion to justify it. Getting rid of something like honour killings is not just about human rights..you've got to change the way people think and convince them that there's no justification for such a crime. I think Queen Rania's attempt to get religious leaders to denounce honour killings is quite admirable. People who commit such crimes should receive the punishment they deserve but most of them just get away with killing their women because society usually approves of such actions. Its obviously as much a question about ideology as it is about human rights. |
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12-01-2003, 04:50 PM
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Thanks for the quick reply, Sean. Until reading that, I had always agreed with your posts which is why I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I was sure you couldn't really have meant that! A missing word makes all the difference and you are now once again clear, objective and succinct!
With regard to human rights in the Middle East, are you aware of any web based material focusing specifically on the Gulf? |
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12-01-2003, 07:20 PM
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"Oh, and when are you going to answer the numerous other question's I've posted to you throughout this thread? Indeed, assidiously avoiding answering them does not do anything for your pro-Rania 'argument' (and I use the term loosely). "
I am not certain what you mean about other questions directed towards me. I don't have a Pro Rania stance per se, I just don't believe that you should condem her if you do not know how much she truely spends. When you stated that Ali should be more critical toward the regime, I took your words to mean that he should be more critical because Abdullah has not done more to stop the honor killings. You did explain what you meant in you next post. I also know that not all Jordanian families ingage in honor killings but it is a strongly held belief that it is justified. If the mind set of the people doesn't change to believe that Honor Killings are wrong then the outcry won't be there against it. That is a proven fact. As for your issue with my "Cut and Paste" method, perhaps you would be kind enough to tell me how to do the Quotes correctly? You posted earlier that you didn't want personal attacks started but I feel that it has. I was not attempting to twist your words put simply stating my opinion and what I understood you to be saying. I think everyone here has a right to post their opinions. If you feel the need to pick mine apart and attack them, then that is your right. But please do not insult my intelligence or my knowledge on the Middle East. |
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12-02-2003, 05:01 AM
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I agree the jordanian royal family talk a lot about honor killings when they are in foreign countries. But what did they make inside Jordan ? They charged the parliament not passing a law but there were no parliament at all in Jordan during 2 years!! So, during 2 years KA and his government had done whatever they want without any parliamentary poll.
Now there is a parliament, without any islamists thanks to an unrepresentative electoral cutting, with loyal Beduins who are voting whatever the royal family want thanks to corruption. So I hope they will pass a law soon. |
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