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Old 09-29-2010, 03:59 AM
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I see we got Islam scholars here who deiced who can fast and who cannot :p
The whole matter is out of our hands, People can fast with diabetes unless its in a very advance stage.

Type 1 diabetes and prolonged fasting. [Diabet Med. 2007] - PubMed result

Type 1 diabetes and prolonged fasting.
Reiter J, Wexler ID, Shehadeh N, Tzur A, Zangen D.

Division of Paediatric Endocrinology, Department of Paediatrics, Mt Scopus Canpus, Hadassah Hebrew University Medical Centre, Jerusalem, Israel.
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AIMS: Fasting is common in several religions. The aims of this study were to determine if prolonged fasting (> 25 h) is safe for individuals with Type 1 diabetes and to identify factors associated with success.

METHODS: Patients intending to fast were instructed on insulin dose adjustments, frequent glucose monitoring and when to terminate the fast using a standard protocol. Clinical and epidemiological factors were recorded and a comparison was made between successful and unsuccessful fasters.

RESULTS: Of 56 subjects who intended to fast, 37 (65%) were successful. Individuals terminated their fast in the presence of either hypoglycaemia or hyperglycaemia and adherence to the protocol was high. There were no serious side-effects of fasting. Successful fasters had greater reductions in insulin dosage and higher HbA(1c). There were no differences between individuals taking intermittent insulin injections and those with continuous infusion pumps.

CONCLUSIONS: Persons with Type 1 diabetes can participate safely in prolonged fasts provided they reduce their usual insulin dose significantly and adhere to guidelines regarding glucose monitoring and indications for terminating fasting.

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Bin-Abbas BS. Insulin pump therapy during Ramadan fasting in type 1 diabetic adolescents. Ann Saudi Med [serial online] 2008 [cited 2010 Sep 29];28:305-6. Available from: http://www.saudiannals.net/text.asp?2008/28/4/305/51709

It is possible to fast during Ramadan, the diabetics just have to alter their insulin dose as my grandmother does.
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Old 09-29-2010, 04:05 AM
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Fasting generally causes great suffering for diabetes patients that doctors advise them not to fast. Also dont forget that it is not the only excuse for a Muslim woman. there is many other excuses.
That's sounds more reasonable.
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Old 09-29-2010, 04:18 AM
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Type 1 diabetes and prolonged fasting. [Diabet Med. 2007] - PubMed result

Type 1 diabetes and prolonged fasting.
Reiter J, Wexler ID, Shehadeh N, Tzur A, Zangen D.

Division of Paediatric Endocrinology, Department of Paediatrics, Mt Scopus Canpus, Hadassah Hebrew University Medical Centre, Jerusalem, Israel.
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AIMS: Fasting is common in several religions. The aims of this study were to determine if prolonged fasting (> 25 h) is safe for individuals with Type 1 diabetes and to identify factors associated with success.

METHODS: Patients intending to fast were instructed on insulin dose adjustments, frequent glucose monitoring and when to terminate the fast using a standard protocol. Clinical and epidemiological factors were recorded and a comparison was made between successful and unsuccessful fasters.

RESULTS: Of 56 subjects who intended to fast, 37 (65%) were successful. Individuals terminated their fast in the presence of either hypoglycaemia or hyperglycaemia and adherence to the protocol was high. There were no serious side-effects of fasting. Successful fasters had greater reductions in insulin dosage and higher HbA(1c). There were no differences between individuals taking intermittent insulin injections and those with continuous infusion pumps.

CONCLUSIONS: Persons with Type 1 diabetes can participate safely in prolonged fasts provided they reduce their usual insulin dose significantly and adhere to guidelines regarding glucose monitoring and indications for terminating fasting.

Saudi research

Bin-Abbas BS. Insulin pump therapy during Ramadan fasting in type 1 diabetic adolescents. Ann Saudi Med [serial online] 2008 [cited 2010 Sep 29];28:305-6. Available from: Insulin pump therapy during Ramadan fasting in type 1 diabetic adolescents Bin-Abbas BS - Ann Saudi Med

It is possible to fast during Ramadan, the diabetics just have to alter their insulin dose as my grandmother does.
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It is not a rule dear. Saudi Arabia follows a different islamic "mazhab". It varies from patient to another depending on many Factors ,the type of diabetes and type of treatment or medication ..., The doctor is the only one who decides whether the patient is able to fast or not but overall diabetes is a legitimate excuse for not fasting.
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Obviously, there are a lot of people here who know exactly what is good for QRania's health and what's not so good. Maybe she should consider to take them as her doctors...
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Old 09-29-2010, 04:21 AM
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Obviously, there are a lot of people here who know exactly what is good for QRania's health and what's not so good. Maybe she should consider to take them as her doctors...
LOL! Very true, Veram. It seems others here know more about her health than she does!
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Old 09-29-2010, 04:26 AM
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Thank you Rossina. I am just pointing out that it IS possible for diabetics to fast during Ramadan if they feel they want to and provided there is no kidney and liver damage.

The first piece of research I showed was actually Israeli research as Jewish people have to fast too.
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Old 09-29-2010, 04:29 AM
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Obviously, there are a lot of people here who know exactly what is good for QRania's health and what's not so good. Maybe she should consider to take them as her doctors...
LOL ..
Any way , we are not living with HM to decide whether she can fast or not. If QٌR really did not fast, it's because she can not do so IMO.
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Old 09-29-2010, 06:39 AM
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If a diabetic person is advised not to fast the Ramadan-way ( complete abstinence of food and drink during daylight), there are many other ways of fasting while still holding to the thoughts of the fasting.
Refraining from eating sweets or snacks. No sugar in the coffee or tea, or no coffee/tea at all. Perhaps no meat.
Anything that can be done without disrupting the elementary diet restrictions will do, I think.
I'm sure HM has these things sorted out with her doctors, if she is indeed diabetic.
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Old 09-29-2010, 09:36 AM
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In Islam there is no such thing to fast by eating or drinking any kind of nutrient. (at least among Sunni Muslims and 92% of Jordan's population is Sunni Muslim) If a person have illness he/she doesn't fast. It's perfectly normal for Quran and if she/he has illness and keep fasting it's not allowed because you also have to keep your body healthy. There are necessities to be allowed to fast. You shouldn't be on medications..etc. And of course one has own right to fast or not. It musn't be a reason not to fast. If you don't want to do it you just don't fast.
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i thought we had last concluded that she may not even be diabetic so this ongoing discussion on whether or not she can fast is getting annoying. no one saw her eat anything during ramadan so whether she can fast or not seems irrelevant, there is no official conformation that she is diabetic save one article that has since been deleted and a few people who claim it's common knowledge that she has it even though they have no hard evidence to back it up...

so anyways, rania had a heart procedure.
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I agree.

There has been no confirmation that Rania has diabetes, so any further discussion on the disease, Ramadan, etc. will be considered off topic and deleted.

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"Thank u for get well msgs, they meant so much. Flying back tonight to finally reunite with loved ones."
So Happy that she is fine ...Best wishes for a speedy recovery Your majesty.
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i'm shocked to learn about the news. From the bottom of my heart i wish queen Rania the best and a speedy recovery.
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Old 09-29-2010, 11:46 PM
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Queen Rania is out of the hospital. First pictures from earlier today:

Exclusive - Queen Rania of Jordan is pictured arriving at the Midtown Manhattan hotel, coming directly from the hospital where she had a minor heart surgery, in New York City, NY, USA on September 29, 2010.
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Thanks for the pictures, she looks quite well for someone who has just had surgery.

Rania's posts on twitter

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It was not open surgery. They just make a small incision to pass the wire through and then a couple of stitches to close it. The downtime for that procedure is minimal.
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Let's hope that the procedure (minor or not) was really successful.
She looks fine.
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It was not open surgery. They just make a small incision to pass the wire through and then a couple of stitches to close it. The downtime for that procedure is minimal.
Yes this is true.

I hope she is well soon. She looks fine.
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Thanks Humera for the pictures. Im glad that she looks fine (and so stylish )
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