Official visit to Syria: September 15, 2009

[xavi83]

that was too short visit seems more private family visit , I think both ladies looked tired

[Little_star]

Thanks for the photos.

Rania looked great, I love the purple top. I was quite surprised by Asma as not only did her hair look dishevelled but her overall appearance was very underwhelming. She looked like she was going shopping with the girls, not receiving a visiting head of state.

[dazzling]

Originally Posted by Little_star

Thanks for the photos.

Rania looked great, I love the purple top. I was quite surprised by Asma as not only did her hair look dishevelled but her overall appearance was very underwhelming. She looked like she was going shopping with the girls, not receiving a visiting head of state.

This was a very low profile visit and dont forget Asma isnt a queen or princess she is just a first lady therefore all the glam isnt important as it is to higher people.

I would disagree highly since her guest many of the times dresses the same way. I dont think anyone would go shopping in such a fancy top from silk also the two ladies top styles were very similar with all the drappings but this is not a fashion thread for me to discuss more.

I hope we get a few pictures of the children with the Assad's family.
I also hope that the syrian agency uploads pictures.

[Little_star]

Originally Posted by dazzling

This was a very low profile visit and dont forget Asma isnt a queen or princess she is just a first lady therefore all the glam isnt important as it is to higher people.

Asma is a very stylish, well-groomed woman and her usual style usually consists of high-end pieces. Glamour is clearly important ot her usually and pretending it isn't seems quite silly imo.

Originally Posted by dazzling

I would disagree highly since her guest many of the times dresses the same way. I dont think anyone would go shopping in such a fancy top from silk

I've got a very similar top that I do wear for lunches and shopping all the time so IMO this is a top that would be more suited to a casual event.

[yamamah]

I agree Dazzling, especially as Rania often looks quite dowdy or even poorly put together outfit wise even for state visits. Asma's style is usually at the quieter end of the upmarket spectrum, her taste is more classic than Rania's.

When I think of how much beige, brown and grey Rania wears, it seems silly to say that Asma is the only one who looks underwhelming as Rania has looked that way on many occasions and Rania's hair isn't always perfect either - her greys were showing recently, there have been times when her hair was too long and very dry.

In addition, Asma doesn't usually do as many magazine fashion spreads as Rania so no, I don't think 'glamour' per se is as important to her.

They are such very different women in many ways that it is like comparing apples and oranges

[dazzling]

Originally Posted by Little_star

Asma is a very stylish, well-groomed woman and her usual style usually consists of high-end pieces. Glamour is clearly important ot her usually and pretending it isn't seems quite silly imo.
I've got a very similar top that I do wear for lunches and shopping all the time so IMO this is a top that would be more suited to a casual event.

Well everyone has different views on how things should be done and worn and I totally respect your point of view but calling my point silly I think is abit unfair since we are all entitled to our opinions.

[Little_star]

I wasn't calling your opinion silly but the pretence that Asma is somehow less interested in fashion. Particularly when she is well-known for wearing couture etc at daytime events.

Originally Posted by yamamah

When I think of how much beige, brown and grey Rania wears, it seems silly to say that Asma is the only one who looks underwhelming as Rania has looked that way on many occasions and Rania's hair isn't always perfect either - her greys were showing recently, there have been times when her hair was too long and very dry.

I wasn't aware that the point of this thread was to discuss all of Rania's outfits worn during state visits etc.

I thought it was to discuss this short visit to Syria. Perhaps it needs to be renamed to avoid confusion?

[asturiana]

Originally Posted by dazzling

I also hope that the syrian agency uploads pictures.

It doesnt seem that the agency will upload pictures, because it has already upload pictures from today. What a pitty, syrian agency normally has big and good pictures.

[yamamah]

Originally Posted by Little_star

I wasn't aware that the point of this thread was to discuss all of Rania's outfits worn during state visits etc.

I thought it was to discuss this short visit to Syria. Perhaps it needs to be renamed to avoid confusion?

not at all and as i wasn't the first or the only person to pass comment on the ladies clothing, i don't think my remarks are any less valid than your own which don't include any in depth discussion on the visit to syria but concentrated on rania's jacket and asma's hair and blouse - comments related to fashion and the ladies personal style.

it seems this visit was most likely a diplomatic exercise to show brotherhood and goodwill during ramadan so smart casual clothing is fine for both ladies - to be honest i have seen both look better. i don't thnk full on glamour from either lady would be considered appropriate for ramadan as it is the holy month.

perhaps take own advice?

[Little_star]

Originally Posted by yamamah

not at all and as i wasn't the first or the only person to pass comment on the ladies clothing, i don't think my remarks are any less valid than your own which don't include any in depth discussion on the visit to syria but concentrated on rania's jacket and asma's hair and blouse - comments related to fashion and the ladies personal style.

You seem to have misunderstood my point as that wasn't what I was saying.

[dazzling]

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[yamamah]

will the assads be invited for iftar in amman soon as a return courtesy?

[dazzling]

Originally Posted by yamamah

will the assads be invited for iftar in amman soon as a return courtesy?

Maybe not for iftar since Ramadan is almost over, I would suppose they'll be invited to visit Amman on a official or even maybe a state visit in the coming months.

[ZZZ]

rania looks terrible.... the short skirt is not appropriate for ramadan. rania sometimes comes off as trying too hard. asma has a more relaxed look.

it has nothing to do with queen or presidents wife. they are not born royal. they were commoners before their marriages.

off topic..... but i think born royal should take precedence over marrying royal. wives can be changed. daughters, sister, brothers, sons can not.

[Marsel]

Originally Posted by ZZZ

rania looks terrible.... the short skirt is not appropriate for ramadan. rania sometimes comes off as trying too hard. asma has a more relaxed look.

it has nothing to do with queen or presidents wife. they are not born royal. they were commoners before their marriages.

off topic..... but i think born royal should take precedence over marrying royal. wives can be changed. daughters, sister, brothers, sons can not.
<my bolding>

I am not entirely sure what you mean by 'wives can be changed', would you care to elaborate?
And I strongly disagree with the question of precedence: commoners marrying into Royal Families tend to get the second-best treatment anyway. It would be completely humiliating if they weren't allowed to share their husbands' (or, as it is, wives') privileges or places in the precedence list.

As was pointed out, this was a relatively low-key and informal, albeit an official visit. The ladies’ outfits and general appearance reflected that.

[ZZZ]

i think a short skirt was highly in appropriate for a visit in ramadan. she could have worn pants or a beautiful arabic thobe/kaftan.

what i meant was, divorce can happen, or second wives can be taken (in referecnce to "wives can be changed" :)

i think that it is a shame that wives (for example rania) take precedence over born dedicated royals like princesses alia, zein, aisha, haya, basma, noor etc. they are treated second class when they are royalty.

internet chat cans come accross as harsh.... no harsh tone intended. smiles all around :)

[Marsel]

No harsh meaning taken.

The skirt doesn’t look particularly short to me (although it is hardly very flattering either) but I understand your feelings about Ramadan.

I still do disagree with you over the question of precedence: Zein, Alia, Aisha and others are all hard-working and brilliant women, however Rania is the Queen, the wife of the King and the mother of the future King. And she’s no less hard-working than any of the aforementioned ladies.

[Little_star]

Originally Posted by ZZZ

i think that it is a shame that wives (for example rania) take precedence over born dedicated royals like princesses alia, zein, aisha, haya, basma, noor etc. they are treated second class when they are royalty.

Personally I find the idea that an accident of birth should automatically elevate a person's status to be the real shame.

[ZZZ]

rania works hard. very hard..... always has to be on her A game. cant have an of day.

but king/queen should be born. their partners should be prince or princess.

imagine this, being a princess (born) and having to curtsey, walk behind your sister in law (a commoner)...... any married woman can imagine the horror of having to do it .

[dazzling]

Enough now please, lets all cool down and get back on topic before this thread gets closed.
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