King Abdullah And Queen Rania - discussing their projects

[pepep]

luckily, rania didn’t wear Sirup dress to the church, with her breast hanging down.

[Bubbette]

Originally posted by silver charm@Jun 8th, 2004 - 10:23 am

Isreal is populated by Jewish people mainly from the ex-Soviet Bloc. They do not have the historical perspective and cultural sensitvity to the region that Jewish Arabs do.

It is the same thing for Muslims from different parts of the world. A muslim from America is not going to have the same cultural and historical perspective on events as a muslim from Qatar or vice versa.

Immigration is a tricky thing. Ask Canada.

Actually, Israel is populated mainly by refugees from Arab countries--Iraq, Morocco, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and Iran when they were forced out by anti-Semitic leaders. It does however have citizens from over 100 countries, including those of Islamic, Buddhist, Bahai'i and Hindu faiths, among others. A recent large group of immigrants from the former Soviet Union are Christian, not Jewish, although they may have had some Jewish relatives.

[Monalisa]

Originally posted by Bubbette+Jun 8th, 2004 - 2:08 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bubbette @ Jun 8th, 2004 - 2:08 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-silver charm@Jun 8th, 2004 - 10:23 am

Isreal is populated by Jewish people mainly from the ex-Soviet Bloc. They do not have the historical perspective and cultural sensitvity to the region that Jewish Arabs do.


Immigration is a tricky thing. Ask Canada.

Actually, Israel is populated mainly by refugees from Arab countries--Iraq, Morocco, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and Iran when they were forced out by anti-Semitic leaders. [/b][/quote]
Well,i don't know how were considered jewish people in other arabic countries,but in morocco,they weren't forced by antisimetic leaders to leave for Israel.Their immigration was basically for economic needs,the same for late russian immigration.
If you know moroccan jewish people living israel,you should know how they are proud being moroccan and how they like and liked their king especially talking about late king MV,in every moroccan house,you find there, a portrait of him.
Well,i respect your opinion Bubette,but it should to be well-founded,and you should to talk then about the real racisme in israel between sefarads and ashkinazes :o
At last,i don't know what this discussion is making here in LTR,israel is not a royal country,and there's no corrolation with it to discuss immigration in Israel,as YOU Bubette you are always insisting to not discussing about politic here B)

[bjanka66]

Why do people keep picking on Queen Rania and for very silly reasons IMO, like what she's wearing or not??? You say she's spreading hate? She's known to be VERY respectful of all religions and for bridging the west and the Middle East. And I also think she understands her role very well and is undertaking her duties as a Queen in every sense. I have only respect and admiration for her.

they're jealous

[Bubbette]

Originally posted by Monalisa@Jun 8th, 2004 - 3:27 pm
Well,i don't know how were considered jewish people in other arabic countries,but in morocco,they weren't forced by antisimetic leaders to leave for Israel.Their immigration was basically for economic needs,the same for late russian immigration.
If you know moroccan jewish people living israel,you should know how they are proud being moroccan and how they like and liked their king especially talking about late king MV,in every moroccan house,you find there, a portrait of him.
Well,i respect your opinion Bubette,but it should to be well-founded,and you should to talk then about the real racisme in israel between sefarads and ashkinazes :o
At last,i don't know what this discussion is making here in LTR,israel is not a royal country,and there's no corrolation with it to discuss immigration in Israel,as YOU Bubette you are always insisting to not discussing about politic here B)

My relatives are Moroccan Jews, and I have dated Jews who live or were born in Morocco, so yes, I am pretty familiar with them. Re the racism in Israel, I think that pretty much has faded with the current generation, esp since the President is Sephardi, as is the Chief of Staff, I think. In any case, let's get back ot and hope that Rania visits Israel soon--they certainly have Chanel and other high fashion boutiques there, and it's closer than Europe!

[papillon]

Originally posted by Bubbette@Jun 8th, 2004 - 10:14 am
I don't think there is so much hate! Certainly not on the part of Western countries. W. Europe is very welcoming to Muslims, as is the US--probably the greatest aid donor to Muslims.&nbsp; I don't think all Muslims hate the US either--I think certain Imams teach hate, but not all.

I agree. I think that's a fallacy. Most Westerners don't hate Muslims and Arabs and vice versa.

[Monalisa]

Originally posted by Bubbette+Jun 8th, 2004 - 4:06 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bubbette @ Jun 8th, 2004 - 4:06 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Monalisa@Jun 8th, 2004 - 3:27 pm
Well,i don't know how were considered jewish people in other arabic countries,but in morocco,they weren't forced by antisimetic leaders to leave for Israel.Their immigration was basically for economic needs,the same for late russian immigration.
If you know moroccan jewish people living israel,you should know how they are proud being moroccan and how they like and liked their king especially talking about late king MV,in every moroccan house,you find there, a portrait of him.
Well,i respect your opinion Bubette,but it should to be well-founded,and you should to talk then about the real racisme in israel between sefarads and ashkinazes &nbsp; &nbsp; :o
At last,i don't know what this discussion is making here in LTR,israel is not a royal country,and there's no corrolation with it to discuss immigration in Israel,as YOU Bubette you are always insisting to not discussing about politic here B)

My relatives are Moroccan Jews, and I have dated Jews who live or were born in Morocco, so yes, I am pretty familiar with them. Re the racism in Israel, I think that pretty much has faded with the current generation, esp since the President is Sephardi, as is the Chief of Staff, I think. In any case, let's get back ot and hope that Rania visits Israel soon--they certainly have Chanel and other high fashion boutiques there, and it's closer than Europe! [/b][/quote]
Well,if you have some moroccan jewish relatives,you should know that they could return to their country morocco how much they want,and they all keep their moroccan passport, :o i don't think that this is the case of country who could to be considered antisimetic,i think that you should to make in your list some sieving :P
As for rania's visit to isreal to bye her dresses and outfits,i don't think that she would to be in israelen journals,there's a lot of palestinians and progressists israelis around who would not consider her as a one of the most elegant women in the world but one of the most pretentious women in the world,she no-doubt prefer to be in the french and spanish tabloids which are bootlicking her since she's spending there a fortune for the luxe's commerce free advertinsing,as the gulfies princesses and sheikes do :P

[pepep]

Originally posted by bjanka66@Jun 8th, 2004 - 1:01 pm

they're jealous

that's what rania says :woot:

[Monalisa]

Originally posted by pepep+Jun 8th, 2004 - 4:30 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pepep @ Jun 8th, 2004 - 4:30 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bjanka66@Jun 8th, 2004 - 1:01 pm

they're jealous

that's what rania says :woot: [/b][/quote]
No comment :o shame for a such as comment from a considered to be a responsibile person,we aren't here talking to kids,this is siply being provocative and irresponsible B)

[synthia]

Originally posted by papillon@Jun 8th, 2004 - 4:17 pm
I agree. I think that's a fallacy. Most Westerners don't hate Muslims and Arabs and vice versa.

Really? Was September 11 sign of love? Relation needs to be improved.

I absolutely agree on US monetary help to Arab countries. Jordan got last year from US $1.1 billion.

[pepep]

i will jealous if rania buys this sirop dress

[Monalisa]

Originally posted by synthia+Jun 8th, 2004 - 4:42 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (synthia @ Jun 8th, 2004 - 4:42 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-papillon@Jun 8th, 2004 - 4:17 pm
I agree.&nbsp; I think that's a fallacy.&nbsp; Most Westerners don't hate Muslims and Arabs and vice versa.

Really? Was September 11 sign of love? Relation needs to be improved.

I absolutely agree on US monetary help to Arab countries. Jordan got last year from US $1.1 billion. [/b][/quote]
Sure ,you are being ethopic.All aids are not about love and help between different cultures,there's many countries which deserves aids more than jordan if it's only about help,those aids are only about strategic deals,Jordan is a plug area,created that,not more B)

[papillon]

Originally posted by synthia@Jun 8th, 2004 - 4:42 pm
Really? Was September 11 sign of love? Relation needs to be improved.

I absolutely agree on US monetary help to Arab countries. Jordan got last year from US $1.1 billion.

Yes, really. Note that I did not say ALL, but MOST.

[Asma2]

Originally posted by papillon+Jun 8th, 2004 - 4:17 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (papillon @ Jun 8th, 2004 - 4:17 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bubbette@Jun 8th, 2004 - 10:14 am
I don't think there is so much hate! Certainly not on the part of Western countries. W. Europe is very welcoming to Muslims, as is the US--probably the greatest aid donor to Muslims.* I don't think all Muslims hate the US either--I think certain Imams teach hate, but not all.

I agree. I think that's a fallacy. Most Westerners don't hate Muslims and Arabs and vice versa. [/b][/quote]
Well, I really don’t know how many or how much hate there exist, I never came across any statistics, if you did please share it, however I’m very well aware of the hate that exist, as well of the war against terrorism that we are in, of those who use Islam for their political ambitions and hurt Islam reputation.

On the other hand, I know that many Arabs and Westerners fight against terrorism and work hard to fill this gap between nations. We saw just recently very nice example of Moroccans very friendly invitation to their country, when they were competing for Word Cup. I know that Morocco is the most liberal Arab country and they cannot be compare to the Libya, Yemen, Sudan… But it is really nice to know that the friendship between civilizations exists. And that it is due to Moroccans leaders. Just recently King Mohammed VI call on Arabs leaders, on the Arab summit to teach people bigger tolerance.

If we have a problem, we have to face it, otherwise will grow big and we will be no able to handle.

[Asma2]

Originally posted by Bubbette+Jun 8th, 2004 - 10:18 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bubbette @ Jun 8th, 2004 - 10:18 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-barbara_41172@Jun 7th, 2004 - 9:52 pm
Not sure why you would think she was dressed inappropriately, Asma2. She wore a long dress, as did Queen Sofia of Spain. She didn't wear a hat but neither did her mother-in-law Princess Muna. Queen Sofia, a Catholic herself, never wears a hat. I have seen her at weddings with her head uncovered. Why do people keep picking on Queen Rania and for very silly reasons IMO, like what she's wearing or not??? You say she's spreading hate? She's known to be VERY respectful of all religions and for bridging the west and the Middle East. And I also think she understands her role very well and is undertaking her duties as a Queen in every sense. I have only respect and admiration for her.

TC
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Barbara

Is she referring to the fact that the invite said knee length dress? I don't think that constitutes spreading hate. [/b][/quote]
barbara_41172, I don’t care if Rania was wearing long or short dress (it was really skirt) or hat. The fact is that Rania was inappropriately dressed. The skirt is suitable for some Spanish wild dances not to the church and she should put some jacket on, too. If Rania want to show respect to other religion, she has to approached the church exactly the same way as she would approach the mosque. Church means to Catholics exactly as much as mosque means to the Muslim. Nobody is asking Rania to wear burke. Queen Noor fined very fine line between western requirements and Muslim culture, wearing veil. Prince My Rachid came dressed in robe (I don’t know the name of the robe) representing the King, family and last but not least the country and his religion. And there were other Muslims that came dressed properly, except QRania. If you want to know what is appropriate and what is not, simply ask yourself question? Would be QRania allowed to the mosque dress like that? Or can you imaging some non-Muslim woman come dress like that to the mosque?

barbara_41172, what did rania do for bridging the west and the Middle East?


Bubbette, I was not referring to the invitation; Rania should know the protocol without reading invitation.

[barbara_41172]

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[pepep]

rania missed the fashion protocol, but she made a fashion hit, but didn't get on the front pages of the magazines.

[silver charm]

Do any of you see the irony of when maryshawn asked the very relevant question about how much time QR & KA spend in their country and their effect on the everyday lives of their country men, 40 posts later we are discussing if QR's dress is appropriate?

Originally posted by silver charm@Jun 9th, 2004 - 10:04 am
Do any of you see the irony of when maryshawn asked the very relevant question about how much time QR & KA spend in their country and their effect on the everyday lives of their country men, 40 posts later we are discussing if QR's dress is appropriate?

Oh yes....

Like I mentioned before...He, the king and it seems like his father, is always abroad and as such is called King "By correspondence"

[barbara_41172]

Do any of you see the irony of when maryshawn asked the very relevant question about how much time QR & KA spend in their country and their effect on the everyday lives of their country men, 40 posts later we are discussing if QR's dress is appropriate?

You're absolutely right, silver charm. I have deleted my message as a result.

TC
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Barbara