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Old 05-04-2004, 01:14 AM
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"unbiased statistics" by the UN: The UN Human Development Index of 2003 (assessing GDP/capita, education and life expectancy) ranks Jordan at no. 90 of 175 countries (Lebanon at 83, Tunisia 91, Turkey 96, Algeria 107, Syria 110, Egypt 120 - and Morocco at a really bad 126).
more detailed information from the same source:

Adult Literacy

Jordan 90.3
Bahrain 87.9

Lebanon 86.
Turkey 85.5
Qatar 81.7
Saudi Arabia 77.1
Iran 77.1
UAE 76.7
Syria 75.3
Oman 73.
Tunisia 72.1
Algeria 67.8
Sudan 58.8
Egypt 56.1
Morocco 49.8
Yemen 47.7
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Old 05-04-2004, 01:17 AM
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from the same source too:(UN 2003)

Education Index

Jordan .86
Bahrain .86
Lebanon .83
Qatar .82
Turkey .77
Quait .73
UAE .73
Tunisia .73
Iran .73
Saudi Arabia .71
Syria .7
Algeria .69
Oman .68
Egypt .63
Morocco .5
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Old 05-04-2004, 01:47 AM
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The reason Jordan has such high literacy rates compared to many other countries in the area is becuase the country has had compulsory education for boys and girls since 1951 - the credit for this decision must go to the late King Talal, father of King Hussein, Prince Mohammed, Prince Hassan and Princess Basma. Education has always been a proprity is Jordan, and in 1990 Jordan started a 10 year Educational Reform Plan under the direct guidence of then Crown Prince Hassan who visited literally hundreds of schools in the country, met with educators to discuss problems, arranged funding for new buildings from Japan, supervised curricula reform, all of which has laid the foundations for what is being achieved in the country today. He was also directly responsible for bringing electriity to virtually every community over 500 people, through the development palns he headed, which enable the present government to even consider putting computers into every school etc. Nothing happens out of nothing....!
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Old 05-05-2004, 01:51 AM
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Might consider another reason why Abdullah is doing a good job: the good human rights record of JOrdan (save the crack down on Hamas leaders in 2000/2 (?) but that seemed really to be necessary. And hey, he put him out of the country not kill them...)
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Old 05-05-2004, 10:04 AM
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Since hamas is a terrorist group, cracking down on them is a good thing. There seems to be some more awareness about honor crimes also.
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Old 05-05-2004, 12:15 PM
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No. He has no idea what’s going on. How can King Abdullh be in control of Jordan when he cannot control his wife?
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Old 05-05-2004, 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by synthia@May 5th, 2004 - 11:15 am
No. He has no idea whatís going on. How can King Abdullh be in control of Jordan when he cannot control his wife?
Is this your real name? Just wondering.
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Old 05-05-2004, 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by synthia@May 5th, 2004 - 12:15 pm
No. He has no idea what’s going on. How can King Abdullh be in control of Jordan when he cannot control his wife?
And how would you know this...? By the way, it is known that Adbullah often goes undercover, for example as a camera team to check the press liberties or even brake some traffic regulations in order to see if he would really get a ticket.

Going under cover to listen to the people in the street is a good Hashemite tradition!

In interviews Abdulllah himself has often critized for example then-president Saddam Hussein for not knowing what goes on in the streets. Check cnn, you'll find the stories there

As for homor killings, the royal family has done a lot to amend the laws that approve honor killings (didn't pass in parliament). Queen Rania is very known for it. A couple of years ago P. Ali and P. Ghazi even join the march against the honor killings
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Old 05-05-2004, 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by Hild+May 5th, 2004 - 11:41 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hild @ May 5th, 2004 - 11:41 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-synthia@May 5th, 2004 - 12:15 pm
No. He has no idea what’s going on. How can King Abdullh be in control of Jordan when he cannot control his wife?
And how would you know this...? By the way, it is known that Adbullah often goes undercover, for example as a camera team to check the press liberties or even brake some traffic regulations in order to see if he would really get a ticket.

Going under cover to listen to the people in the street is a good Hashemite tradition&#33;

In interviews Abdulllah himself has often critized for example then-president Saddam Hussein for not knowing what goes on in the streets. Check cnn, you&#39;ll find the stories there

As for homor killings, the royal family has done a lot to amend the laws that approve honor killings (didn&#39;t pass in parliament). Queen Rania is very known for it. A couple of years ago P. Ali and P. Ghazi even join the march against the honor killings [/b][/quote]
King Abdullah never critized Saddam Hussein when Saddam Hussein was in power. King Abdullah needed his money.
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Old 05-05-2004, 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by synthia@May 5th, 2004 - 12:50 pm

King Abdullah never critized Saddam Hussein when Saddam Hussein was in power. King Abdullah needed his money.
Abdullah played a role in the silent diplomacy between US and Saddam.
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Old 05-05-2004, 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Hild+May 5th, 2004 - 11:56 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hild @ May 5th, 2004 - 11:56 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-synthia@May 5th, 2004 - 12:50 pm

King Abdullah never critized Saddam Hussein when Saddam Hussein was in power. King Abdullah needed his money.
Abdullah played a role in the silent diplomacy between US and Saddam. [/b][/quote]
Oh, yes we all know his role.
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Old 05-05-2004, 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by synthia@May 5th, 2004 - 12:58 pm

Oh, yes we all know his role.
what do you mean, I suppose this is a sarcastic comment?
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Old 05-05-2004, 01:06 PM
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One of the important aspects of a countryīs health is its access to health care How is Jordan doing on that front? The Queen visits hospitals so we know it is important to her.
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Old 05-05-2004, 01:06 PM
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what do you mean, I suppose this is a sarcastic comment?
It’s not sarcastic comment, it’s reality.
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Old 05-05-2004, 01:09 PM
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what do you mean, I suppose this is a sarcastic comment?
It’s not sarcastic comment, it’s reality.
so give an example of what Abdullah did all wrong with the latest crisis in Iraq, besides making sure his country would survive?
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Old 05-05-2004, 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by Hild+May 5th, 2004 - 12:09 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hild @ May 5th, 2004 - 12:09 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-synthia@May 5th, 2004 - 1:06 pm
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what do you mean, I suppose this is a sarcastic comment?
It’s not sarcastic comment, it’s reality.
so give an example of what Abdullah did all wrong with the latest crisis in Iraq, besides making sure his country would survive? [/b][/quote]
He’s not one is dealing with the crisis in Iraq; it’s not his responsibilities. But he still is trying to hang up on his old friendship with his old friend Saddam Hussein. Before war, Saddam Hussein sign agreement of kickbacks of free oil, King Abdullah is now demanding it from poor Iraqis, arguing that agreement is agreement, no matter what government sign it. Is this wrong? No. But is not moral. Confiscation of Saddam Hussein money. Is this wrong? No. But is not moral. They belong to Iraqis.
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Old 05-05-2004, 03:57 PM
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This is a useless conversation coming from different views on the world. Okay Syntia I&#39;ll respect your views but I will not share them
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Old 05-05-2004, 08:02 PM
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I understand and realize that this is a particularly heated discussion, and obviously one that some feel very strongly about one way or another, about whether King Abdullah is doing a good job or not.

But let&#39;s be civil and mature about this.

Everybody need not need to come to a mutual consensus or agree with one another, but let&#39;s not resort to name calling of each other, the King and the royal family, or describing another member&#39;s point or opinon as being &#39;useless&#39; or anything of that like.

But if things do get out of hand in this thread, it will be closed. Consider this the first and only warning.

Otherwise, carry on, discuss, debate, compare, etc.

Alexandria
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Old 05-05-2004, 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by Hild+May 5th, 2004 - 12:09 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hild @ May 5th, 2004 - 12:09 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-synthia@May 5th, 2004 - 1:06 pm
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what do you mean, I suppose this is a sarcastic comment?
Itís not sarcastic comment, itís reality.
so give an example of what Abdullah did all wrong with the latest crisis in Iraq, besides making sure his country would survive? [/b][/quote]
I think some would argue that he was only trying to make sure that *he* (and hsi regime) would survive. If the heat became too hot to handle, there was an American plane waiting to whisk him away.
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Old 05-08-2004, 03:28 PM
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KA seems more concerned with events outside of Jordan than affairs in Jordan. Maybe he should put a halt on accumulating so many frequent flyer miles and work towards solving his country&#39;s problems: poverty, unemployment, illiteracy, crime (honor killings and otherwise). What&#39;s use of bringing the latest IT technology to Jordan when the majority of the people will never have need to access it? At least in Europe and Gulf States, the people enjoy a decent standard of living so much that the excesses of their royalty are not really an issue. The people are taken care of; the royalty can spend however they please.
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